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How to identify a Full Preterist in Partial Preterist clothing in this section of the board.

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When Christ spoke to his disciples, he spoke to the Church. In other words, he spoke to the Church through His disciples. His prophecies were not about 70AD. It is about the New Testament Congregation.
 
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I was not talking about you... I was referring to someone else here who I have talked to well before I ever talked to you.
SJ is talking about me @Jipsah ....

I assert that ALL Bible eschatology finds it's PRIMARY fulfillment in and around the events leading up to and including Jerusalem's 70 AD Desruction, yet typifies the future return, in much of the same way the ECF's understood the reality of 1st century eschatological fulfillment, yet STILL heald out for the future return, and codified this understanding of theirs in the Historic Creeds.

I adhere to the future creedal consummation, as per forum requirements. I do not adhere to the notion that there is ANY eschatological passage that does not find it's PRIMARY fulfillment in the 1st century, regardless if it can be applied typologically to the future coming or not.

I assert mine is THE consistent partial preterist position, and I'm nt alone in holding it.

Many noted, published PARTIAL preterist scholars hold this same view.
 
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I've been reading and finding a a few different chapters and passages in Luke where Luke records the same things recorded in The Temple Courtyard Discourse, which according to Matthew's gospel, Jesus gave on the same day that He gave the Olivet Discourse, just a short while before He came out of the temple courtyard and headed for the Mount of Olives:

Luke 11
47 Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48 Truly you bear witness that you consent to the deeds of your fathers. For they indeed killed them, and you build their tombs.
49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute,
50 so that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the temple. Truly I say to you, It shall be required of this generation.

Matthew 23
29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets, and decorate the tombs of the righteous,
30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Therefore you are witnesses to yourselves, that you are the sons of those who killed the prophets;

34 Therefore, behold, I send prophets and wise men and scribes to you. And you will kill and crucify some of them. And some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city;
35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Berachiah, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
36 Truly I say to you, All these things shall come on this generation.

Then there's also the others I mentioned in post #20 (Luke 21:12-15 cf Luke 12:11; Luke 13:34-35 cf Matthew 23:37-39) + the other things you already mentioned (and there may be yet more examples of this).

IMO, Matthew had everything in the chronological order in which they took place, but Luke did not. Although Luke did a good job overall with regard to chronology in his gospel, he simply did not know where some of Jesus' sayings and teachings fitted during the 3.5 years of His ministry. There are probably scholars who disagree with me on that, but anyway, they are not my teachers either.
 
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When Christ spoke to his disciples, he spoke to the Church. In other words, he spoke to the Church through His disciples. His prophecies were not about 70AD. It is about the New Testament Congregation.
There was a New Testament congregation alive in 70 A.D too.
 
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SJ is talking about me @Jipsah ....

I assert that ALL Bible eschatology finds it's PRIMARY fulfillment in and around the events leading up to and including Jerusalem's 70 AD Desruction
I assert that ALL Bible eschatology finds its PRIMARY fulfillment in and around Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, and the giving of the Holy Spirit in power on the day of Pentecost, and in and around Jesus' return.
 
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I assert that ALL Bible eschatology finds its PRIMARY fulfillment in and around Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, and the giving of the Holy Spirit in power on the day of Pentecost, and in and around Jesus' return.
Interesting. Can you provide an example or two of a specific eschatological prophesy that you believe was Fulfilled between Jesus Crucifixion and Pentecost? I suppose The passage from Joel that Peter quoted would qualify, which is why I maintain ALL Christians are preterist to some degree.
 
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How about Jesus' resurrection from the dead which He prophesied about Himself before His crucifixion?
 
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How about Jesus' resurrection from the dead which He prophesied about Himself before His crucifixion?
Sure, I'm fine with assigning prophsies of Jesus' Resurrection to the category of eschatology, though it's not a very popular position. It does, however, again, render ALL Christians Preterist by necessity.
 
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Firstly, Jesus was not speaking to unconverted Jews, but to converted Jews.It was them that had to flee the city when they saw the Roman armies
Secondly, Jesus did address the unconverted Jews on the subject. He didn't tell them to flee. The judgement was coming on them.
Matthew 23:38-39.Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

I suggest that you read the whole chapter carefully. After the crucifixion the next time the Jews would see him would be at his return. Likewise the Matthew 24:30-31.
 
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