How to get to heaven when you die

wykael said:

When He speaks to us today, He expands on the Bible, not contradicts it.

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There is a small group of people that has a different viewpoint on this. I am a member of that group.

And the Bible says that the one and only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ.

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Okay, but my religious beliefs are not based on the Bible. My religion has it's own Scriptures.
Also, my religion makes claims, too. I believe those claims are true.

I_are_sceptical said:

Yes, it does sound like a contradiction. I haven't really figured it out myself, so I can't explain it to other people.
How can there be a separate interpretation? Perhaps because God has spoken to humanity again in recent years.

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Well if God is speaking to humanity again and leaving a different message that would mean he made a huge blunder. To make sure the gospel of Christ was heard and believed God went through the trouble to lay down 109 specific prophecies through human prophets 500-1000 years before his birth to foretell of his coming. He also traced a specific lineage to prove that this was the son of god.

As follows
Mt 1:2. ABRAHAM BEGAT (or was the father of-NIV) ISAAC; AND ISAAC BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JACOB; AND JACOB BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JUDAS AND HIS (BROTHERS);
Mt 1:3. AND JUDAS BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) PHARES AND ZARA OF (or whose mother was) THAMAR; AND PHARES BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ESROM; AND ESROM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) (RAM);
Mt 1:4. AND (RAM) BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) (AMMINADAB); AND (AMMINADAB) BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) (NAHSHON); AND (NAHSHON) BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) SALMON;
Mt 1:5. AND SALMON BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) BOOZ OF (or whose mother was) RACHAB; AND BOOZ BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) OBED OF (or whose mother was) RUTH; AND OBED BEGAT JESSE;
Mt 1:6. AND JESSE BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) DAVID THE KING; AND DAVID THE KING BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) SOLOMON OF HER THAT HAD BEEN THE WIFE OF URIAS;
Mt 1:7. AND SOLOMON BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ROBOAM; AND ROBOAM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ABIA; AND ABIA BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ASA;
Mt 1:8. AND ASA BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JOSAPHAT; AND JOSAPHAT BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JORAM; AND JORAM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) OZIAS;
Mt 1:9. AND OZIAS BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JOATHAM; AND JOATHAM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ACHAZ; AND ACHAZ BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) EZEKIAS;
Mt 1:10. AND EZEKIAS BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) MANASSES; AND MANASSES BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) AMON; AND AMON BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JOSIAS;
Mt 1:11. AND JOSIAS BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JECHONIAS AND HIS (BROTHERS), ABOUT THE TIME THEY WERE CARRIED AWAY (or the exile, or deportation) TO BABYLON:
Mt 1:12. AND AFTER THEY WERE BROUGHT TO BABYLON, JECHONIAS BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) SALATHIEL; AND SALATHIEL BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ZOROBABEL;
Mt 1:13. AND ZOROBABEL BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ABIUD; AND ABIUD BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ELIAKIM; AND ELIAKIM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) AZOR;
Mt 1:14. AND AZOR BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) SADOC; AND SADOC BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ACHIM; AND ACHIM BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ELIUD;
Mt 1:15. AND ELIUD BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) ELEAZAR; AND ELEAZAR BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) MATTHAN; AND MATTHAN BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JACOB;
Mt 1:16. AND JACOB BEGAT (or was the father of-JNT) JOSEPH THE HUSBAND OF MARY, OF WHOM WAS BORN JESUS (or Yeshua), WHO IS CALLED CHRIST (or the Messiah).
Mt 1:17. SO ALL THE GENERATIONS FROM ABRAHAM TO DAVID ARE FOURTEEN GENERATIONS; AND FROM DAVID UNTIL THE CARRYING AWAY (or exile, captivity, or deportation) INTO BABYLON ARE FOURTEEN GENERATIONS; AND FROM THE CARRYING AWAY (or exile, captivity, or deportation) INTO BABYLON UNTO (the time of) CHRIST (or the Messiah) ARE FOURTEEN GENERATIONS.

God is omnipotent all knowing and took specific steps to ensure the voice of his son was heard that is why Christianity has held the test of time. This was also what Jesus predicted about his church.

Is there such a storie in your religion? Is there a perfect path spanning thousands of years, predictions of the coming of the Baha'l'allah with no contradictions and miracles to support it? No need to answer that retorricle question it is just a point to ponder.

Remember what lends credence to the bible is it is a body of work spanning over thousands of years to tell one perfect storie, to deviate from that now would go against everything that was planned. There is no time to God, all that was, is, and will be, has all already happened to God and the stories conclusion is also known to him.

revelations12_12 said:

Well if God is speaking to humanity again and leaving a different message that would mean he made a huge blunder.

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I have come across Jewish books and websites that use this exact argument against Jesus. Do you think the Jews are right or wrong?

To make sure the gospel of Christ was heard and believed God went through the trouble to lay down 109 specific prophecies through human prophets 500-1000 years before his birth to foretell of his coming.

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And what happened? The overwhelming majority of Jews for 2000 years have rejected Jesus. They don't see those prophecies as pointing to Him. If they can get it wrong, generation after generation, should I be willing to consider the possibility that Christians have misinterpreted Bible Prophecy?

God is omnipotent all knowing and took specific steps to ensure the voice of his son was heard that is why Christianity has held the test of time.

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Check back with me 2000 years from now and we will see if the Baha'i Faith has stood the test of time.
The Baha'i Faith started in Iran among Shi'i Muslims, but reached out to me, a Protestant Christian in the United States. That, to me, indicates it is the power of God at work.

Is there a perfect path spanning thousands of years, predictions of the coming of the Baha'l'allah with no contradictions and miracles to support it?

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Perfect? No contradictions? No, perhaps not. There are points of the Baha'i faith I don't understand. But I have found enough reasons to believe in it.
Miracles? Yes, a few.

Remember what lends credence to the bible is it is a body of work spanning over thousands of years to tell one perfect storie

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So if you had only a collection of Jesus' teachings, and none of the rest of the Bible, are you saying you would not accept it as God's Word?

to deviate from that now would go against everything that was planned.

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Yes, that's true. And I think the Baha'i Faith is what God planned all along.

I_are_sceptical said:

I have come across Jewish books and websites that use this exact argument against Jesus. Do you think the Jews are right or wrong?

And what happened? The overwhelming majority of Jews for 2000 years have rejected Jesus. They don't see those prophecies as pointing to Him. If they can get it wrong, generation after generation, should I be willing to consider the possibility that Christians have misinterpreted Bible Prophecy?

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Yes the Jews are wrong, they are gods chosen people and they will not turn to Christ. That is until the 144,000 converted Jewish prophets become believers in the end times... This too is predicted and part of Gods plan, just curious how long has it been since you went back through the book of Revelations?

God put Jesus here to be pursecuted, betrayed and murdered, and then resurected. That was the plan of God. It was a plan started, and that will be fulfilled with Jesus second coming after WWIII. After the anti-Christ has brought world peace. This plan began with Moses and will end over 6000 years later.

If you believe Baha'i'llah is truly going to come to power, I assure you that he will in turn be confronted by Jesus when he returns. As I have shown Jesus is real and will return. Reguardless of how you feel about Baha'illah and Jesus if what you believe is true, do you think there will be a confrontation between the two of them?
Who do you think the jews will follow? Who do you think Americans will follow?

I_are_sceptical said:

So if you had only a collection of Jesus' teachings, and none of the rest of the Bible, are you saying you would not accept it as God's Word?

Yes, that's true. And I think the Baha'i Faith is what God planned all along.

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Me personally without the proof of the old testament, probably not. But that is a hypatheticle point and we do have the proof.

You say yes thats true, what scripture points to baha'i'allah being a part of Gods master plan? Or what gives you this idea that he is part of the plan, is it an alternate interpretation of a verse from the bible?

revelations12_12 said:

just curious how long has it been since you went back through the book of Revelations?

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A good many years. I find it confusing, so I don't spend much time reading it.

God put Jesus here to be pursecuted, betrayed and murdered, and then resurected.

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So are you saying that it was not God's plan to have Jesus teach anything? Everything Jesus had to say in the years before He was crucified was a waste of time?

As I have shown Jesus is real and will return.

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How, may I ask, have you shown that Jesus "will" return? To do that you would have to disprove Baha'u'llah's claims. I don't think you have succeeded yet.

Reguardless of how you feel about Baha'illah and Jesus if what you believe is true, do you think there will be a confrontation between the two of them?

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There can be no direct confrontation between Them on this Earth because Baha'u'llah has been dead for more than a hundred years. That conclusively eliminates Baha'u'llah as a candidate for being the antiChrist, doesn't it?

I_are_sceptical said:

A good many years. I find it confusing, so I don't spend much time reading it.

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You seem to have such a hunger for knowledge I am suprised by this.

I_are_sceptical said:

So are you saying that it was not God's plan to have Jesus teach anything? Everything Jesus had to say in the years before He was crucified was a waste of time?

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Jesus message was the plan, The fact that he was crucified was simply the fulfilment of prophhecy and to save us from our own sins, we all fell short of Gods glory and cannot live without sin so Jesus came to save mankind.

I_are_sceptical said:

How, may I ask, have you shown that Jesus "will" return? To do that you would have to disprove Baha'u'llah's claims. I don't think you have succeeded yet.

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I was not aware Baha'iallah made claims that Jesus would not return, so I was unaware I was trying to disprove him, that was not my intentions.

Through the storie told by generations of prophets predicting without contradiction or error what happened and what will happen. Through the words of Jesus who was proven the son of God through his fulfilment of 109 specific prophecies, and when this was proven, the message he left, stating he would return and what would happen before he did.

I_are_sceptical said:

There can be no direct confrontation between Them on this Earth because Baha'u'llah has been dead for more than a hundred years. That conclusively eliminates Baha'u'llah as a candidate for being the antiChrist, doesn't it?

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I did not mean to imply he was the anti-christ, as this was not my intention, The anti-christ will be made known to all mankind at the exact same time. He will come forward and imply he is God. Although many false christs will come before him. The dali Lahma, Maitreya, Mohammad, benjamine Creme, Alice Bailey...

revelations12_12 said:

Me personally without the proof of the old testament, probably not. But that is a hypatheticle point and we do have the proof.

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I don't think it's hypothetical, I think it's very important. You have just admitted you cannot recognize Jesus for who He is. I don't want to make that mistake. I want to recognize God's Holy One. That is why I listen carefully to what Baha'u'llah has to say.

You say yes thats true, what scripture points to baha'i'allah being a part of Gods master plan? Or what gives you this idea that he is part of the plan, is it an alternate interpretation of a verse from the bible?

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What gives me that idea is the fact that Baha'u'llah says He is part of God's master plan. I didn't become a Baha'i because I read Bible prophecies, formed conclusions, and then discovered the Baha'i Faith. I read Baha'i Scripture and then went to the Bible and compared Them.

I_are_sceptical said:

I don't think it's hypothetical, I think it's very important. You have just admitted you cannot recognize Jesus for who He is. I don't want to make that mistake. I want to recognize God's Holy One. That is why I listen carefully to what Baha'u'llah has to say.

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What are you talking about you gave me a hypotheticle example such as what if more than 3/4 of the bible did not exist then what? my answer is that the storie of Christ is told through out the entire bible without it, it would be an incomplete work with no prophecy. I recognize Jesus for who he is.

That is a hypotheticle situation as the entire bible does exist....

We are not trying to attack each other here are we?

How did Baha'i'allah die? Who were his parents?

revelations12_12 said:

You seem to have such a hunger for knowledge I am suprised by this.

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I don't get much knowledge from that Book.

Jesus message was the plan, The fact that he was crucified was simply the fulfilment of prophhecy and to save us from our own sins, we all fell short of Gods glory and cannot live without sin so Jesus came to save mankind.

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Okay, what about the idea that we should all love each other, give to the poor, show mercy and compassion? Is that part of the plan?

I was not aware Baha'iallah made claims that Jesus would not return,

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On the contrary, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is a major part of Baha'i teaching. But how have you shown that Jesus will return in the future? In order to convince me of that you would first have to disprove Baha'u'llah -- because Baha'u'llah says that Jesus has already returned.

I did not mean to imply he was the anti-christ

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Okay. I've heard from Christians that there will be a confrontation between Jesus and the antiChrist. That is what I thought you meant.

According to the Word of God when Jesus comes back on his thigh will be written King of kings and Lord of lords, it also states that every eye will see Him. My thought is that there will be no question, leading me to think anyone trying to represent Christ prior to this exact happening will be but another false doctrine.

I_are_sceptical said:

Okay, what about the idea that we should all love each other, give to the poor, show mercy and compassion? Is that part of the plan?

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This is the message of Christ, I am not sure what you are implying.

I_are_sceptical said:

On the contrary, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is a major part of Baha'i teaching. But how have you shown that Jesus will return in the future? In order to convince me of that you would first have to disprove Baha'u'llah -- because Baha'u'llah says that Jesus has already returned.

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Over 80% of all prophecy in the bible has came true with 100% accuracy, that will not change now the storie will simply come to its conclusion.

The events foretold have not come to pass, so this is not possible.

revelations chapter 7
. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10. And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12. Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


Revelation 22:18-19 he says, "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

It sounds like Bala'i'allah has left out prophecy, the bible has never been wrong yet. Please oh please drop you wall and take another look, I beg of you look in your heart and ask yourself why are you here. Please Jesus does not want to lose you! He died specifically for you my friend, he is crying out to you now. " let he who hath ears to hear, let him hear!"

When Jesus comes for his second coming he will come to riegn on Earth for 1000 years, he will be known, He will be king, he will be god. Those that are not saved and have not accepted that he died for them and was ressurected will be damned to suffer for eternity.

We all want peace but there will not be peace on Earth until Jesus returns please I want to see YOU there rejoicing with God.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8.Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2002) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.

About 22 prophecies in 11 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance that any person could do this 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish, yet many do. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, "YOU" cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN EXCHANGE FOR HIS SOUL? (Note: The Encyclopedia of Bible Prophecy has the complete list of 365 prophecies.)
http://www.heavenlyvally.com/index.htm

I_are_sceptical said:

Okay, what about the idea that we should all love each other, give to the poor, show mercy and compassion? Is that part of the plan?

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revelations12_12 said:

This is the message of Christ, I am not sure what you are implying.

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In post 84 you said

revelations12_12 said:

God put Jesus here to be pursecuted, betrayed and murdered, and then resurected. That was the plan of God.

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I don't see anything in there about us showing love, charity, mercy, compassion to each other. Do you?

It has been my experience in several discussions that Christians only say Jesus' teachings are important after I bring up the issue. Until then they ignore His teachings, as though the teachings are unimportant.

The events foretold have not come to pass, so this is not possible.

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The Jews believe that the Messiah has not yet come. Are they right or wrong? If they can miss something like that, perhaps Jesus can return and the Christians will not be aware of it.

Please oh please drop you wall and take another look, I beg of you look in your heart and ask yourself why are you here. Please Jesus does not want to lose you! He died specifically for you my friend, he is crying out to you now. " let he who hath ears to hear, let him hear!"

When Jesus comes for his second coming he will come to riegn on Earth for 1000 years, he will be known, He will be king, he will be god. Those that are not saved and have not accepted that he died for them and was ressurected will be damned to suffer for eternity.

We all want peace but there will not be peace on Earth until Jesus returns please I want to see YOU there rejoicing with God.

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For the past twenty-eight years that I have been discussing these things with Christians, Jesus has not helped one person find an argument that convinces me. In fact I just keep finding more and more evidence that supports Baha'u'llah. Why is that?

If you want to win me to Christ there is only one way to do it, and that is by answering the questions that I have. Let me know when you are ready to get started.

Daughter of His said:

According to the Word of God when Jesus comes back on his thigh will be written King of kings and Lord of lords, it also states that every eye will see Him. My thought is that there will be no question, leading me to think anyone trying to represent Christ prior to this exact happening will be but another false doctrine.

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A lot of Christians believe there will be no question. But I am not a Christian. My religious beliefs are based on something different, so how can I know for sure that you are right and everybody else in the world is wrong?

Response to post 94:

Please post the Baha'i view of how Bible prophecy points towards belief in Baha'u'llah.

revelations12_12 said:

To be SAVED - Just say these words "I come to you Father God in the name of your Son Jesus Christ. I now confess Jesus as my Lord, and Savior. I believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and was raised from the dead. I confess I am a sinner, and ask you to forgive my sins, and I put my eternal soul into your hands. I'm saved, and ask Lord, that You baptize me daily with Your Holy Spirit."

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I'll say that prayer the INSTANT you or any other Christian convinces me that Baha'u'llah is a false Christ.

I_are_sceptical said:

In post 84 you said
I don't see anything in there about us showing love, charity, mercy, compassion to each other. Do you?

It has been my experience in several discussions that Christians only say Jesus' teachings are important after I bring up the issue. Until then they ignore His teachings, as though the teachings are unimportant.


The Jews believe that the Messiah has not yet come. Are they right or wrong? If they can miss something like that, perhaps Jesus can return and the Christians will not be aware of it.

For the past twenty-eight years that I have been discussing these things with Christians, Jesus has not helped one person find an argument that convinces me. In fact I just keep finding more and more evidence that supports Baha'u'llah. Why is that?

If you want to win me to Christ there is only one way to do it, and that is by answering the questions that I have. Let me know when you are ready to get started.

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You seem to use a shield not allowing you to see what you do not want to see. I think you should re-read the message of Christ yourself, if Christians have seemed to mislead you? I will not refute there are people out there who call themselves Christains, and have seemed to overlook the message. The truth of the matter is we are humans and we will always fall short of the glory of God. That is why you cannot look for your truths in random Christains you meet but can only find the truth in Jesus Christ.

Read one chapter of the book of john per night this will take just a few minutes each day. And find your own truths, you have read the words of the bala'i'allah and believed it on faith. Read the words of Christ as God wanted you to, not just hear it through the mouths of Gentiles. As a gentile I will be the first to let you know I make a lot of mistakes and have fallen far short of the glory of God and cannot live up to the life of Jesus.

This is what makes Jesus our savior, man is corrupt and only by siding with Jesus can we be saved because he will return to rid the world of corruption. No Dali lahma with smooth words can do this, niether can any Christain.

If what you say is true that Christains have not been able to answer your questions then read the book of John, pray,then let your heart make the descision for you. You mention the Jews a lot and the one true God the God of Abraham the god of the jews the god of us all, his name is Yeshua, use this name, pray and see if you still want to follow your current path, or if Gods leads you elseware.

It is a trinity God the father
Jesus the son
and the Holy Ghost the spirit

I would like to know your first name so I can include you in my prayers, if you would share it with me.

my name is luke

You can pray to God to help you believe. Once God reveals Himself to you there is no question. If you earnestly seek Him, not challenge, YOU should be able to find Him. Personally, if I were you, I'd throw myself on the floor and pray until I knew the truth of Christ Jesus who has mercy before judgement.