How to frame Kavanaugh or any other innocent man

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She was at the March for Science, just as I stated. If Trump and his supporters want to see the March for Science as anti-Trump, well, that's up to them.

she was at an anti trump rally. call it what you want.
 
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Oh, and then cause her to magically forget every possible detail, expect who the guy was and how many beers she had. LOL!
nope. There's is plenty of examples outside of kavanaughs case too.
 
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So you disagree that "March for science" is not science?
 
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So you disagree that "March for science" is not science?
You didn't answer my questions.

Whether or not people were there for the wrong reasons is what the article was about. No doubt some were as well as those there with a genuine interest to speak out for science and its proper use.
 
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So you disagree that "March for science" is not science?
This isn't ancient Judaic dialectics. Someone asked some very pertinent questions (ie. did you read the very article you quoted).
 
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What I am starting to sense in discussions of this sort is that when a male is accused of a sexual indiscretion, he is innocent until proven guilty. On the other hand, it would seem that the female accuser is guilty (of a lie) until proven innocent.
No, it doesn't work that way. All are innocent until proven guilty.

The accuser simply bears the burden of proof in establishing some credibility, not to what she feels and believes, no matter how sincerely, but what actually occurred. Need some facts. Who owned the house, who hosted, who was there at this party, who drove her home, at a minimum. You can't accuse a guy of committing assault at a party whne he did not attend the party, as he claims, and as no witness controverts, last I heard. They have to establish that a party occurred at a location and he was there, at a bare minimum.
 
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What is desperate is the accusation without any supporting evidence whatsoever even establishing a party occurred and he and she were both there.
 
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Which it looks like the White House is trying to whitewash already:


White House limits scope of the FBI’s Kavanaugh investigation

So despite your protestations that "all are innocent until proven guilty", it sure looks like there's an attempt at a whitewash in progress. Definitely proof that they're not at all concerned with Kavanaugh's denials and Ford's evidence.
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Not at all proof of anything. The relevant facts in THIS charge need to be uncovered and substantiated. That is what is relevant now.

Your article does not even support your contention:

"The FBI has received no new instructions from the White House about how to proceed with its weeklong investigation of sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, a senior U.S. official and another source familiar with the matter tell NBC News."

"I want them to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion," Trump tweeted in response to an NBC News report citing multiple people familiar with the process who said the White House was limiting the scope of the reopened background investigation of Kavanaugh."
 
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ALL relevant facts need to be addressed, not just the ones the White House finds convenient for them and their nominee. If they can't do that, then Kavanaugh needs to withdraw.
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ALL relevant facts need to be addressed, not just the ones the White House finds convenient for them and their nominee. If they can't do that, then Kavanaugh needs to withdraw.
Ringo

I agree. Even if Kavenaugh is confirmed, there will be a cloud over any decision he makes in the future, particularly if that decision has anything to do with women's rights.
 
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Once again we see a man who has been touted as "completely innocent" but cannot seem to withstand any amount of investigation at all. It's like being stopped for a traffic ticket and telling the cop, "You can search my car, but you're absolutely not allowed to look in my trunk. No way; that's off limits".

Kav and his supporters don't seem to grasp the idea that this makes him look even more guilty, like there's stuff he's afraid might see the light of day.
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This is also why her lawyers were insisting on reversing the traditional order of testimony where the accuser makes the case first, and the accused then speaks in his or her defense. Reversing that order gives the false accuser an opportunity to adjust their story and incorporate details from defense testimony to make it sound more credible.
 
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