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Is it unjust for me to murder a man born again?Even if they were immediately taken to paradise for all eternity?
BTW, you are implying, whether you mean to or not —or at least causing the reader to infer— that I "don't believe God has to be just", which you apparently take to mean that I think he can be unjust. What I said was that justice derives FROM God. So no man can say (truthfully at least) that God "has to" or "is required to" comply or live up to anyone's definition of "just". That he does justice, always, is beyond question. The fact is that our notions, our definitions, are required to live up to him, and at that, we always fall short.
The semantic philosophical back-and-forth reminds me of thisWhat your saying here is that if God is unjust He is actually just. Your just contradicting the definition of the word just as if it doesn’t apply to God which is incorrect because God is not above the definition of unjust. If He is to be just then He is required to act within a certain moral code otherwise His justice is subjective and there is no justice at all. Then God wouldn’t be just He would simply act however He pleased with no constraints at all. I know that’s what you think God does but if that were the case then He could not be considered to be just if He defies the very definition of the word. The only way God can be just is by acting within the set parameters of the definition of that word, if He doesn’t then He is not just. It’s like saying God is green when He’s actually blue and ignoring what color He actually is. The definition of just is fair and impartial which I know Calvinists struggle with because they absolutely believe that God is not impartial even tho the scriptures specifically state that He is in Romans 2 and Acts 10. The word just has a set definition and ANYONE acting outside of the parameters of that definition by definition cannot be called just. God is absolutely just BECAUSE He does act within those parameters. The same definition of just that applies to humans is the same definition that applies to God. Just because you don’t think so is irrelevant and actually contradictory to the scriptures. And again it comes back to not believing what the scriptures actually state.
Is it unjust for me to murder a man born again?
God, as well as our legal system, say it is.
You really do make up your own rules for justice, don't you?
Where does God say a destiny of paradise for the victim makes murder lawful?
Incontheivable lolThe semantic philosophical back-and-forth reminds me of this
The writer is saying that it is impossible to renew them again to (proselytes by) repentance of their current apostasy, for their apostasy demonstrates they were never born again.But the author of Hebrews didn’t say they thought they had repented, he said “it is impossible to renew them again to repentance”. The author is indirectly stating that they were repentant before they fell away.
Is it unjust for me to murder a man born again?
God, as well as our legal system, say it is.
You really do make up your own rules for justice, don't you?
Where does God say a destiny of paradise for the victim makes murder lawful?
The writer is saying that it is impossible to renew them again to (proselytes by) repentance of their apostasy, for their apostasy demonstrates they were never born again.
But not for God. . .
But doesn't God have to abide by our understanding of morality?
Your assertion that it's not unjust to murder someone if he goes to heaven.He doesn’t, what’s your point?
But not for God. . .
But doesn't God have to abide by our understanding of morality?
Your assertion that it's not unjust to murder someone if he goes to heaven.
Your "justice" applies only to the eternal for the regenerate, and only to the temporal for the unregenerate.
Your "justice" applies only to the eternal for the regenerate, and only to the temporal for the unregenerate.
Like you refuse to accept what is actually written regarding the justice of God, requiring instead that it conform to your contra-Biblical notions.No that’s not what he said at all your just adding to the scriptures because
you refuse to accept what was ACTUALLY written.
Like you refuse to accept what is actually written regarding the justice of God, requiring instead that it conform to your contra-Biblical notions.
And you know how, thatGod doesn’t murder because murder is the unlawful killing of a person.
God is not under the law.
That doesn’t mean that God is not under the restraints that He imposed on Himself.
Yes, we all do.You say, "I am saying she needs to read Scripture more carefully (the text)." —Don't we all? Where did she say the text does not present God being One? I very sincerely doubt she said that!
And you know how, that
1) God has imposed restraints on himself (as if God has to be restrained in order to be righteous) and that
2) those supposed restraints are not his own laws?
In Scripture, judgment--both spiritual (loss of eternal life) and physical--is punishment.What is ACTUALLY written about the justice of God? His judgement is just. Is death judgement? What was God’s judgement on those children that were killed in 2 Samuel?
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