how to be saved with ocd

[kicker]

Ok here we go. I am wanting to get this settled. I have to trust Christ for salvation. I have ocd and have asked Christ to save me hundreds if not thoudands of times. What makes this time any different, I don't know but I figured I would seek help from those who understand. How do I trust God when my ocd says I can't trust? How long does the initial trust have to last for it to take efect? I have terrible thoughts about denying god and I want them to stop. I don't think someone can muster up faith so it must come from God. How do I accept Him into my heart when my mind screams its not going to do any good. At what point does he save someone like me. I may already be saved and my ocd has me in a freefall. How much belief on my part does it take for Him to accept me? Please help. I'm tired of being this way

 

[seajoy]

Ok here we go. I am wanting to get this settled. I have to trust Christ for salvation. I have ocd and have asked Christ to save me hundreds if not thoudands of times. What makes this time any different, I don't know but I figured I would seek help from those who understand. How do I trust God when my ocd says I can't trust? How long does the initial trust have to last for it to take efect? I have terrible thoughts about denying god and I want them to stop. I don't think someone can muster up faith so it must come from God. How do I accept Him into my heart when my mind screams its not going to do any good. At what point does he save someone like me. I may already be saved and my ocd has me in a freefall. How much belief on my part does it take for Him to accept me? Please help. I'm tired of being this way

The verse God used on me was, "Be still and know that I Am God." OCD causes us to have thoughts that just go running and running through our minds. Faith is a gift from God. It's not something we need to continue to measure. And OCD causes us to do that.

Do you really think, after all Christ went through for us, that He wants us to challenge that He has come to us and given us faith, over and over? Just say "Oh well" to the thoughts...you are then "stickin' it to the OCD" and honoring the Lord's power in keeping us unto Himself.

The time to come for you to accept OCD as an illness....a brain chemical problem of major proportions. What you have been doing is obviously not working, or you would feel fine. Try not caring about the thoughts. You have nothing to prove to God. He knows you inside and out.

Brother, I want nothing more for you than to be relieved of this burden. Why would someone who has gotten well, want to steer you wrong? We are not of the same denomination, but we are of the same God. Jesus is our Savior. He is the author and finisher of our faith.

I pray that you are led to the proper doctor and meds. I could not do all this alone. God sent experts to help me. Ask Him to bring you those people to you, as well.

Guess I've talked on and on. I've felt many times that you haven't really read any of my posts because you never respond to them. If you would rather that I don't respond, just let me know. But I have put my heart out here for you to know what helped me.

May our dear Lord be with you.

It is always best to do therapy with a doctor. Also, are you on meds? I don't remember what you have said about that.

 

[annrobert]

Kicker, Seajoy has given you some really good advice and I definately want to know more about the type doctor she had and what all happened in her therapy.I also go through those very thoughts,and many others ,and they are very painful and very hard to ignore.Seajoy is so right ,read her post over again.Seajoy I would really like to know more about your therapy.I will private message if okay.
annrobert

 

[seajoy]

Kicker, Seajoy has given you some really good advice and I definately want to know more about the type doctor she had and what all happened in her therapy.I also go through those very thoughts,and many others ,and they are very painful and very hard to ignore.Seajoy is so right ,read her post over again.Seajoy I would really like to know more about your therapy.I will private message if okay.
annrobert

A PM would be fine...or ask me questions here if you like. It doesn't matter either way.

 

[RachelZ]

Hey Kicker, I'm sorry you're struggling I really am...though the content may vary for us the torment I believe can be the same when OCD is at work. Like Seajoy has said you really need help for an illness and that verse she quoted is a good one. I know how hard it is to trust anything when you're in the grip of an OCD attack but if you can trust one thing then trust that God is bigger and more capable than your mind, your faith and your doubt. I find it so hard to trust in God's love and His mercy and when people talk about trusting in those things and talk like God is actually quite nice I get quite anxious and distrustful of what they're saying. But one thing that does make sense to me is that if God had intended Himself to be known by His more scary characteristics then He would have said "I am Judgement!" or I am Punishment!" Yet He says "I am Love!" I know you know all this already...please if you can, try and hold onto something you know about God that will give you the strength to move forward and get better...if that one thing is "God is Love!" then I pray that will help you. Take care, Rachel

 

[seajoy]

Hey Kicker, I'm sorry you're struggling I really am...though the content may vary for us the torment I believe can be the same when OCD is at work. Like Seajoy has said you really need help for an illness and that verse she quoted is a good one. I know how hard it is to trust anything when you're in the grip of an OCD attack but if you can trust one thing then trust that God is bigger and more capable than your mind, your faith and your doubt. I find it so hard to trust in God's love and His mercy and when people talk about trusting in those things and talk like God is actually quite nice I get quite anxious and distrustful of what they're saying. But one thing that does make sense to me is that if God had intended Himself to be known by His more scary characteristics then He would have said "I am Judgement!" or I am Punishment!" Yet He says "I am Love!" I know you know all this already...please if you can, try and hold onto something you know about God that will give you the strength to move forward and get better...if that one thing is "God is Love!" then I pray that will help you. Take care, Rachel

Excellent post, Rachel. He does say "God is Love". Christ died that we would live. What greater love is there than this.

 

[gracealone]

The verse God used on me was, "Be still and know that I Am God." OCD causes us to have thoughts that just go running and running through our minds. Faith is a gift from God. It's not something we need to continue to measure. And OCD causes us to do that.

Amen to that Seajoy! And the moment we let our OCD drive us to continually measure or check our feelings of faith is the moment that all feelings of faith begin to flee. My favorite OCD verse is: "If our heart condemns us - GOD IS greater than our heart." This tells me that God knew that many of us would struggle with the notion that our emotions are evidence of whether we are saved or not and that He wanted to assure us that our emotions have no bearing on His act of redemption on our behalf.
Mitzi

 

[zingiber]

Ok here we go. I am wanting to get this settled. I have to trust Christ for salvation. I have ocd and have asked Christ to save me hundreds if not thoudands of times. What makes this time any different, I don't know but I figured I would seek help from those who understand. How do I trust God when my ocd says I can't trust? How long does the initial trust have to last for it to take efect? I have terrible thoughts about denying god and I want them to stop. I don't think someone can muster up faith so it must come from God. How do I accept Him into my heart when my mind screams its not going to do any good. At what point does he save someone like me. I may already be saved and my ocd has me in a freefall. How much belief on my part does it take for Him to accept me? Please help. I'm tired of being this way

I think all the advice you have been given is brilliant. I just want to reiterate what Mitzi said. Your emotions do not dictate truth. The Bible dictates truth, and it is OCD that dictates your emotions (mostly). We know that OCD is simply a sickness like any other: It therefore cannot be trusted. i think you are mistaking faith for a feeling, when it is, in fact an attitude. You only need to put your trust in him once, and you are his for life! Think of the prodigal son, who completely rejected his father. His father delightedly forgave him when he returned. Think of King David, who wilfully comitted first adultery, and then murder, rebelling against God. Yet God forgave his sin - and he called David a man after his own heart! All the reigns of his descendants were measured against his as the ideal reign.
I don't know if this helps, but it sure encourages me when I think about it. God knows us all fully, yet forgives us.

 

[keryakos]

Well im going to go against fundamentalist theology here and i dont mean to offend ,because just so you know i was raised in it ....If salvation is dependant on the grace of God alone then it does not depend onthe adequacy of our response ...
Yes we have a choice every person who is presented with the Gospel that is HEARS the gospel by the quickining power of The Holy Ghost has a choice ....but the response has to be because one already believes ...NOT because they act in order to believe ....The issue here is did i do it right did i say the right words with the right feelings ..ect ..how much is enough ...The answer is ..its never enough and never will be enough because we cant do anything ....are we placing our faith in Christ or are we placing our faith in faith ..

 

[keryakos]

technical foul ...double posting

 

[Chaplain David]

Just keep doing the best you can. If you have accepted Christ as your Lord and savior, God can see right through the illness and He knows that you are faithful despite what the illness may be telling you. God can do anything and He does not forsake His sheep, particularly those who are afflicted.

 

[BeccaLynn]

You have had wonderful responses James. I know what you're going through. I don't know what I can really say that's not already been said, but know that I'm praying for you.

Rebecca