Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Not unless God means us to...If you knew you would die of astonishment. The human brain on this earth will never be able to comprehend the vastness of this universe.
Look at that picture and it’s clear concentric rings. You don’t really believe any more than I do that the universe would look the same if you were situated on one of those further galaxies.Pic of the known universe around us:
This pic is 93 billion Light years across, 46.5 billion in either direction... The "known", or currently knowable, or seeable, or "observable universe" (right now)... It is "as far as we can see" right now and probably will be for awhile...
See all the dark areas, they are all pushing outward "equally"... The clusters and strings "normal matter" (us)... Now imagine what would happen or try to see what would happen if these dark pockets ever got to or met at an edge to it, with it, or of it (hence my water glass/air Bubble example explained in more detail a couple posts ago)...
Imagine and/or try to see this "in motion" with the dark areas pushing outward and moving outward but all each equally (on everything else and each other) (and "maybe" from a center, or single point of origin, "maybe") (However there is absolutely no way to prove and/or test that, and may never be, for reasons explained earlier in this thread)...
Anyway, Imagine and/or try to see this "in motion" with the dark areas pushing outward and moving outward but all each equally, and gravity in a direct and equal counterbalance or proportion to the other force of gravity trying to make it all collect together and/or gather and/or collapse back in, (on a center possibly), (or "eventually" if it were not for the other force pushing out from the dark areas or pockets)...
The balance of these two forces could make it nigh perpetual and possibly infinite, and makes you really wonder and seriously begin to question the Big Bang Theory and the supposed age of the universe as well...
And, again, it all appears as if "we are the center", but we are not... For from everywhere and anywhere in it, it would "always "look" that way", no matter where you were at or in it (also talked about earlier) due to the equal expansion happening everywhere (also talked about earlier)...
Also, if we were seeing very much of it "at all nearly", at all, (the universe) if we were seeing very much of the whole of it at all, we should be able to see, (if the Big Bang is correct), we should be able to see some kind of "different pattern of dispersal", that would indicate very clearly a single point of origin... Unless we are "just not seeing very much of the whole of it", because then, we would not be able to see that yet... Which would make the universe so huge, that the age of it all must be incorrect, "even if", "even if" it did actually happen from a "big bang", ro whatever, which it may or may not have, and what I'm trying to say is we have absolutely no way of knowing that, and/or especially "proving it" at this point, or at any point possibly (talked about earlier) which would, and does, and should, bring "it all" (a lot of our current theories about it that have been accepted as fact for a long time now) into some serious question and doubt(s)... (as I also tried to explain earlier)...?
This should be simple and easy, but, maybe it is not, IDK...?
God Bless!
Look at that picture and it’s clear concentric rings. You don’t really believe any more than I do that the universe would look the same if you were situated on one of those further galaxies.
You can tell yourself you believe that, but if true there would be no concentric rings observable from our position, because from another position those rings would still be there, just not pointing to you as the center, but to this galaxy......
That’s what everyone has said despite the fact what we believe to be true changes about every 200 years.Yes I do, I think it is pretty much the same almost anywhere in it, and I'm pretty sure I am right...
Sure you do, that’s why you said it appears we are at the center, then dismissed what you saw.....I don't see any concentric rings, or that they or it (the normal and not normal matter or material) is laid out in a set of concentric rings and or pattern either or whatsoever...?
That’s what they say without any actual proof. In fact observations show vast voids and collections of galaxies against their claims.It would look much the same from almost anywhere you were in it, you would always appear to be the center no matter what, even as if, or if you were to travel through it even...
Why? It would be like telling me GR is 99.8% correct, without Fairie Dust, then adding 95% Fairie Dust to it because you couldn’t make what you just claimed was 99.8% correct work without it.I explained in much greater detail in some of my prior posts, with many more reasons and very logical proofs of how this is, how it works, all that, ect... Maybe you should go back and read and/or look at them maybe...?
God Bless!
So what Fairie Dust am I supposed to swallow because the “highly correct” theory without it can’t be made to work without it?
And yet you couldn’t back up your stance with science. Instead avoided everything....Well, one thing is for sure - you haven't got any ideas, have you? Nothing, except for a mixture of faith-based nonsense, EU woo and word salad.
With a stationary point.'True' velocity with respect to what?
In current models of the universe there isn't an edge - and lesliedellow gave a reason.
The universe is either modelled as infinite or as finite but unbounded, i.e. the 3D version of the surface of a sphere (the surface of a large enough sphere is ~2D locally), such as a 3-sphere.
In this topology, if you travel anywhere in a straight line you eventually arrive back at your starting point (assuming, for simplicity, it's all static).
Then you would also never get back to your starting point as your starting point got further and further away with time as space expanded.I can't make sense of your soda in a glass analogy; the whole universe is expanding - even if there was an edge with a 'dark bubble' near it, it would get further away with time as the space between them expanded.
And yet you couldn’t back up your stance with science. Instead avoided everything....
And then will appeal to unknown things to defend your beliefs.....
While I on the other hand appeal to no unknown science, just a universe 99.9% plasma.....
You won’t even accept the correctness of the theory you claim to follow. Instead you all give lip service to how correct it is, then ignore it and add 95% Fairie Dust to it even if it was 99.8% correct without it. And don’t even bat an eye....
That wouldn't happen on a flat Earth - you mean like on the surface of a sphere?Is that like a flat earth belief where every direction merely takes you back to your starting point?
You missed the point, there is no edge, just as there is no centre. But if the universe is spatially finite, its overall curvature is determined by the mass it contains; current measures show it is very flat indeed, suggesting it's extremely large, or even infinite.Except only one flaw with the sphere belief. Only mass curves spacetime. Therefore at this fabled edge there would be no mass, and hence no curvature.....
You must have missed where I said, "assuming, for simplicity, it's all static".Then you would also never get back to your starting point as your starting point got further and further away with time as space expanded.
That doesn't follow. If it's infinite, it's all there is. If it's finite but unbounded there are no edges with anything else. Even spawned from a metaverse it could be 'pinched' off, occupying no space in the metaverse.Which implies space is expanding into something that already exists.
Not really. We're 'embedded' in space, so as it expands, we move with it (rather than through it). Like the analogous balloon surface when it is blown up, every point becomes further away from every other point. The gravity of matter concentrations, e.g. galaxies, tends to hold them together against local expansion.If space is expanding in every direction, then it is also expanding toward us.
It's not nothing, it's Einsteinian space-time undergoing scalar expansion.But you haven’t adequately explained what this nothing is that is expanding and capable of causing galaxies to separate...????
There is no centre point - you may be confusing the idea that the observable universe was once very small with that somehow being a centre, but the observable universe is only a very small part of the whole universe, and however small the whole universe was at the big bang (and it may have been infinite), it was still the whole universe - there was no centre. The balloon analogy only relates to the way every point can become increasingly separated from every other point.Or we take the observations for what we observe, and realize space is simply being stretched away from a center point, which your balloon analogy also implies.
That's just nonsense. What part of an expanding balloon is collapsing inwards? Remember that the balloon analogy only relates to the way every point can become increasingly separated from every other point. A raisin bread analogy is sometimes used for 3D expansion - as the dough expands when the bread rises, every raisin in the bulk becomes further separated from every other raisin; again, this analogy is limited just to separations in the expanding bulk (both analogies have been criticised because of the distractions of irrelevant surfaces & edges, inside & outsides).... to be expanding in every direction, then your balloon surface must also be collapsing inwards at the same time. Since there are no voids towards a center, all objects can not be on this alleged surface that doesn’t exist.....
Not while we are on this earth.Not unless God means us to...
God Bless!
Maybe, but, also, Maybe not...?Not while we are on this earth.
Probably in the billions and how ever big it is, it's getting bigger. We know for a fact that everything is moving away from everything else, Hubble proved that one.Simple question(s):
How old is the universe...? And, How big is the universe...?
Discussion...?
God Bless!
It's both moving away, and coming back in at the same time, in a proportional balance, that it could make it, or perhaps has always been, "perpetual" or nigh perpetual in nature...Probably in the billions and how ever big it is, it's getting bigger. We know for a fact that everything is moving away from everything else, Hubble proved that one.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?