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Fascinated With God

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That is a little overstated:

According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000-10,000 surviving individuals.[26][27] It is supported by genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 to 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.[28]

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However, there was no bottleneck for the Neanderthal, and we are all 2%-4% Neanderthal. (If you're white you'll have more.) Not only did our ancestors diverge and then recombine between Neanderthal and anatomically modern humans 40,000 years ago, there is also clear evidence of another lengthy divergence at 150,000 years ago followed by a recombination at roughly the same time as with the Neanderthal at 40,000 years ago. This second divergence was between eastern and southern Africans.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Human line 'nearly split in two'
 
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Ronald said:
I'm curious, how can you post something that is anti-Christian/Creationist and then claim to be one?
Are you posing as a Christian, a tare amongst the wheat?
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How is believing that the universe is not a lie somehow anti-Christian?

The latest polls shows that the percentage of TE's among scientists and the general public are the same, 40%. Calling a TE anti-Christian is just slander.
 
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ChetSinger said:
True, that. There's an entire world view where naturalism is used to explain everything we see. It's thorough and all-encompassing.
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That is because miracles are something special, a gift of grace to a soul. If no souls are around then miracles serve no purpose, so natural explanations are sufficient for everything before souls were around.

If what you are arguing is correct then God preformed certain prehistoric miracles for no other purpose than to make your theories correct. That seems to me like a highly suspect motivation for supposed miracles.
 
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Ronald said:
I'm curious, how can you post something that is anti-Christian/Creationist and then claim to be one?
Are you posing as a Christian, a tare amongst the wheat?
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Anti-creationist =/= anti-Christian

I am a Christian. The age of the earth and the origin of life on this planet do not affect in any way my belief in Christ.

And by the way:

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● Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christian.
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Fascinated wrote:


Good clarification. Either way, we pretty much agree that the human population was never just 2 people, but instead was always in the thousands. Especially including the Neanderthals. We also probably agree that Mt Eve and Y Adam were not a couple, but instead were separated by thousands of years (so Y Adam was very likely a distant grandchild of Mt Eve, so Adam came from Eve, not the other way around).


However, there was no bottleneck for the Neanderthal, and we are all 2%-4% Neanderthal.
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Yes. In fact, I've had my genome mapped at www.23andme.com, and it turns out I'm more Neanderthal than average! I'm at 2.8% Neanderthal, or more Neanderthal than 83% of the population. Makes sense with my mostly northern European (esp. German) ancestry.

Papias


P.S. Kudos to Troodon for un-equivocating the equivocation fallacy that Ronald used.
 
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Good clarification. Either way, we pretty much agree that the human population was never just 2 people, but instead was always in the thousands. Especially including the Neanderthals. We also probably agree that Mt Eve and Y Adam were not a couple, but instead were separated by thousands of years (so Y Adam was very likely a distant grandchild of Mt Eve, so Adam came from Eve, not the other way around).

sorry for being thick, but who was Y adam married to, if he was separated from Mt eve by thousands of years? a nearndethal? homo erectus?

i wish they'd make up their minds about human origins, was it a small population 70,000 years ago, or 130,000 years ago?
 
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hiscosmicgoldfish said:
i wish they'd make up their minds about human origins, was it a small population 70,000 years ago, or 130,000 years ago?
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At least one of the three known population groups of human around at 70,000 years ago suffered a bottleneck, possibly two of the groups. Neanderthal never suffered a bottleneck, but they are only a small contribution to our gene pool.

I've never seen any suggestion of any kind of bottleneck at 130,000 years ago. The only thing that I have seen about 130,000 years ago is that the earliest evidence of sea shell jewelry and extended trading routes has been pushed back to that date.
 
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hiscosmicgoldfish said:
sorry for being thick, but who was Y adam married to, if he was separated from Mt eve by thousands of years? a nearndethal? homo erectus?
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Same species as mt Eve, home sapiens. He may or may not have had her mitochondria, it as along time ago so there may have been other mitochondrial lineages still around. He may not have been descended from her, or he could have been descended from her and not had her mitochondia because the line of decent went back to mt Eve through a male ancestor.
 
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