How old is the Earth

[LittleLambofJesus]

I decided to just make a simple poll concerning the age of the Earth and/or Universe.
I made it public so everyone could see the diversity in both how other religions/non-religions, atheists and various denominations/sects in Christianity view it.
So the question is how old is this ole Earth of ours. Thanks.

 

[Tomk80]

4.5 billon years according to the evidence. I accept the evidence. Believing doesn't enter into it.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Both radiometric dating of off-planet rock (i.e. meteorites), plus the age of the Sun determined from helioseismology give a solar system age of ~4.5 billion years. So the Earth is roughly the same age.

And FWIW, the Bible doesn't explicitly say anything about the age of the Earth, nor do creationists have any way of independently correlating their claims that it's < 10,000 years old. Not to mention the fact that creationists themselves don't even agree on an age of the Earth. Creationist claims about the age of the Earth seem completely made up to me.

 

[consol]

I decided to just make a simple poll concerning the age of the Earth and/or Universe.
I made it public so everyone could see the diversity in both how other religions/non-religions, atheists and various denominations/sects in Christianity view it.
So the question is how old is this ole Earth of ours. Thanks.

The answer to that question depends on how much religion you have had pumped into you,
if you have had a lot, then you will chant whatever you have been told to chant,
not a lot, then you would be prepared to see what the evidence says.

 

[AV1611VET]

I voted >7000, despite what Consol thinks.

 

[Allegory]

ITT AVET trolling consol

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

I voted >7000, despite what Consol thinks.

please once again explain the difference between history and age which exists only in your head.

 

[hatsoff]

4.5 billon years according to the evidence. I accept the evidence. Believing doesn't enter into it.

Exactly. Technically, it is true that I believe in a 4.54 bya earth, but it is misleading to use that terminology. The evidence demonstrates that the earth is 4.54 bya. That is the best way to put it, in my opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

please once again explain the difference between history and age which exists only in your head.

History is all the events between Point A and Point B on a timeline.

Point A - [history] - Point B

Age, as a noun, is a state of being, arrived at either through the passage of time or a divine act of God.

See Definition 4 below, from Dictionary.com:

1. The length of time that one has existed; duration of life: 23 years of age.
2. The time of life when a person becomes qualified to assume certain civil and personal rights and responsibilities, usually at 18 or 21 years; legal age: under age; of age.
3. One of the stages of life: the age of adolescence; at an awkward age.
4. The state of being old; old age: hair white with age.

 

[AV1611VET]

ITT AVET trolling consol

What does ITT stand for?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I voted >7000, despite what Consol thinks.

Just substitute "science/evidence" for Consol and others that disagree with you, including yours truly.

Luke 23:13 And Pilate having called together the chief priests, and the rulers, and the people,
14 Said toward them "ye toward-carry to Me the man, this, as turning away the people, and behold, I before of ye examining nothing found in the Man, this, cause of which ye are accusing against Him".

Reve 12:10 And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us, the accusing them in sight of the God of us, of day and of night.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just substitute "science/evidence" for Consol and others that disagree with you, including yours truly.

Try understanding it first, before you disagree. Don't think I don't notice those who "automatically" disagree with me when I say something.

My Apple Challenge caught them totally off-guard, and to this day they still disagree with it, even though it effectively makes their point.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Try understanding it first, before you disagree. Don't think I don't notice those who "automatically" disagree with me when I say something.

My Apple Challenge caught them totally off-guard, and to this day they still disagree with it, even though it effectively makes their point.

Greetings. My main beef is with the KJV translation of the Bible and perhaps that is where you and some others got your view of this planet being only 7000yrs old.
Can scientific proof be brought to bear on how old this Planet actually is? That is the question.

2 Timothy 4:1 Thru-witnessing then I, before the GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, of the being-about to be judging living and dead, according as the appearance/manifestation of Him and the Kingdom of Him

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7131625
2 Timothy 4:1 translation

 

[AV1611VET]

Greetings. My main beef is with the KJV translation of the Bible and perhaps that is where you and some others got your view of this planet being only 7000yrs old.

Where did I say this planet is 7000 years old? Please point to one post where I ever said that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where did I say this planet is 7000 years old? Please point to one post where I ever said that.

Ahh. I just looked how you voted. I suppose I got confused on this answer of yours earlier. Ya wily wascal

I voted >7000, despite what Consol thinks.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

History is all the events between Point A and Point B on a timeline.

Point A - [history] - Point B

Age, as a noun, is a state of being, arrived at either through the passage of time or a divine act of God.

See Definition 4 below, from Dictionary.com:

1. The length of time that one has existed; duration of life: 23 years of age.
2. The time of life when a person becomes qualified to assume certain civil and personal rights and responsibilities, usually at 18 or 21 years; legal age: under age; of age.
3. One of the stages of life: the age of adolescence; at an awkward age.
4. The state of being old; old age: hair white with age.

If you look at the definitions that you just quoted yourself, note that none of them mention "divine act of god".

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Since creation is a witness for God and every test that we run to see what creation is witnessing about God's methods and timescale in creating shows the Earth to be will over 7000 years old, I think we can toss out the ideas of a monk and go with the witness God left for us in creation itself.

The Earth is over 7000 years old and seems to be about 4+byo.

 

[Ramon96]

I want to make something clear: THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENCE BOOK, it is a book about God's Salvation History. It is not even a true Historical book to begin with!

That being sad, I agree that the Earth is not only 7,000 years old because that is what scientific evidence suggest. The Bible affirms from Genesis through Revelation that God is the Creator and that everything came into existences through him [off-topic (?) but even if we agree to the scientific explanation of "Evolution", the one thing that we need to bear in mind that God started the process so to speak, in other words there is no reason why, biblically, one can not believe in a "Theistic-Evolution"]

The ancient Hebrew writer is not concerned to give a good or bad scientific account, for he is not interested in science at all! Genesis is primarily focusing on in the creation account revolves around "who" and "why" and not, as modern scientific questions do, around "how" and "when" and "what".

The Old Testament's purpose is NOT to record literal history, but to explain the relationship of God and man. The Bible does not state anything on how old the Earth is, this is not the purpose of the Holy Bible. The word "day" does not necessary mean "24 hours" as that will not make any sense given the chronological order of Genesis on "when" God created "what". Given all this, all scientific evidence points to the fact that Earth is billions of years old. Science CAN [and DOES] agree with Sacred Scriptures. But then again, does this matter? There have been times that I see Christians tearing each other on this subject, as if this is a salvation issue.

Blessings,
Ramon

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Since creation is a witness for God and every test that we run to see what creation is witnessing about God's methods and timescale in creating shows the Earth to be will over 7000 years old, I think we can toss out the ideas of a monk and go with the witness God left for us in creation itself.

The Earth is over 7000 years old and seems to be about 4+byo.

Thanks for that post and I haven't seen any YEC's post yet.

Are there any statistics on how many Christians are YECs or what denominations/sects within it claim to be YEC's?

[Looks like this is just as much a problem with Christianty as there is between "Trintrarians" and "non-Trinitrarians."]

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm

............Thus, as a young Christian, when I was presented with the view that Christians must believe in a young-earth and global flood, I went along willingly. I knew there were problems but I thought I was going to solve them. When I graduated from college with a physics degree, physicists were unemployable since NASA had just laid a bunch of them off. I did graduate work in philosophy and then decided to leave school to support my growing family. Even after a year, physicists were still unemployable. After six months of looking, I finally found work as a geophysicist working for a seismic company. Within a year, I was processing seismic data for Atlantic Richfield...........

 

[AV1611VET]

Genesis is primarily focusing on in the creation account revolves around "who" and "why" and not, as modern scientific questions do, around "how" and "when" and "what".

Then why such detail?

Why state what was created, when, where, why, how, what was said, what was said on what day, Who said it, and even who the eyewitnesses were?