How old is the earth? less than 10,000 years?...WHAT!!!

[Bouke285]

Compiled by Rev. Jack Barr



The Shrinking Sun


Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.
The Moon's Dust


Interplanetary dust and meteors is depositing dust on the moon at the rate of at least 14,300,000 tons per year. At this rate, if the moon were 4.5 billion years old there would be at least 440 feet of dust on the moon. The astronauts, however, found a layer only 1/8 to three inches thick. Three inches would take only 8000 years. Even evolutionists believe the moon is the same age as the earth, giving the earth's age as only 8000 years.
The Magnetic Field


The earth has a magnetic field that is constantly decreasing due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The half-life of the magnetic field is 1400 years. Only 2800 years ago the magnetic field would be four times as strong as it is now. Only 10,000 years ago the magnetic field would be as strong as a magnetic star and be a nuclear power source as the sun. For this reason the earth could not be more than 10,000 years old.
The Earth's Rotation


The rotation of the earth is gradually slowing down at about .00002 seconds a year. The lost energy is transferred to the moon. The moon, therefore, is slowly moving away from the earth at about 4 centimeters a year. This would put the moon in contact with the earth less than 2 billion years ago. Yet, if the moon were closer than about 11,500 miles, the moon would be broken into tiny pieces, much as the rings of Saturn.
The Missing Helium


Helium is generated as radioactive uranium decays. This is known as radiogenic helium, and is the primary source of helium in the earth's atmosphere. If the earth were really 4.5 billion years old as claimed by the evolutionists, the atmosphere would be saturated with this helium. But it isn't. Where did it go? It can't escape to space. The simple answer, of course, is that the earth isn't really that old.
The Comet Mystery

Comets, as they orbit the sun, are literally torn apart by gravitational forces, internal explosions, and solar winds. Short period comets can't exist for more than 10,000 years. Most astronomers believe that comets originated at the same time as the solar system. That limits the age of the solar system to about 10,000 years.

 

[gluadys]

Compiled by Rev. Jack Barr



The Shrinking Sun


Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.
The Moon's Dust


Interplanetary dust and meteors is depositing dust on the moon at the rate of at least 14,300,000 tons per year. At this rate, if the moon were 4.5 billion years old there would be at least 440 feet of dust on the moon. The astronauts, however, found a layer only 1/8 to three inches thick. Three inches would take only 8000 years. Even evolutionists believe the moon is the same age as the earth, giving the earth's age as only 8000 years.
The Magnetic Field


The earth has a magnetic field that is constantly decreasing due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The half-life of the magnetic field is 1400 years. Only 2800 years ago the magnetic field would be four times as strong as it is now. Only 10,000 years ago the magnetic field would be as strong as a magnetic star and be a nuclear power source as the sun. For this reason the earth could not be more than 10,000 years old.
The Earth's Rotation


The rotation of the earth is gradually slowing down at about .00002 seconds a year. The lost energy is transferred to the moon. The moon, therefore, is slowly moving away from the earth at about 4 centimeters a year. This would put the moon in contact with the earth less than 2 billion years ago. Yet, if the moon were closer than about 11,500 miles, the moon would be broken into tiny pieces, much as the rings of Saturn.
The Missing Helium


Helium is generated as radioactive uranium decays. This is known as radiogenic helium, and is the primary source of helium in the earth's atmosphere. If the earth were really 4.5 billion years old as claimed by the evolutionists, the atmosphere would be saturated with this helium. But it isn't. Where did it go? It can't escape to space. The simple answer, of course, is that the earth isn't really that old.
The Comet Mystery

Comets, as they orbit the sun, are literally torn apart by gravitational forces, internal explosions, and solar winds. Short period comets can't exist for more than 10,000 years. Most astronomers believe that comets originated at the same time as the solar system. That limits the age of the solar system to about 10,000 years.

Are you aware that every one of the paragraphs above is false information?

 

[Mallon]

Bouke, you are very quick to accuse everyone who does not buy into young earth creationist "science" as somehow ignorant. But are you aware that some of the arguments you've posted above have been rejected by young earth creationists themselves? Check out AiG's "Arguments we think creationists should not use":
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
Do you think it is possible that it might be you who is being ignorant by blindly accepting YEC arguments simply because they fit your preconvictions?

Also, it is evident from your post that you accept uniformitarianism. What do you have to say to all those YECs who reject uniformitarianism so as to deny old-earth interpretations?

Lastly, before we continue, I think we ought to discuss those points you've made that haven't already been debunked here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
Could you please go through the list at the link I posted above and delete any of the arguments you've cited that have already been refuted there? That way we're not retreading old ground. Thanks.

 

[shernren]

I had no idea people were still using those! Man. What a blast to the past. Reminds me of when I was fifteen. You ought to throw in the one about NASA computers finding Joshua's lost day.

 

[AV1611VET]

Compiled by Rev. Jack Barr



The Shrinking Sun


Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.
The Moon's Dust


Interplanetary dust and meteors is depositing dust on the moon at the rate of at least 14,300,000 tons per year. At this rate, if the moon were 4.5 billion years old there would be at least 440 feet of dust on the moon. The astronauts, however, found a layer only 1/8 to three inches thick. Three inches would take only 8000 years. Even evolutionists believe the moon is the same age as the earth, giving the earth's age as only 8000 years.
The Magnetic Field


The earth has a magnetic field that is constantly decreasing due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The half-life of the magnetic field is 1400 years. Only 2800 years ago the magnetic field would be four times as strong as it is now. Only 10,000 years ago the magnetic field would be as strong as a magnetic star and be a nuclear power source as the sun. For this reason the earth could not be more than 10,000 years old.
The Earth's Rotation


The rotation of the earth is gradually slowing down at about .00002 seconds a year. The lost energy is transferred to the moon. The moon, therefore, is slowly moving away from the earth at about 4 centimeters a year. This would put the moon in contact with the earth less than 2 billion years ago. Yet, if the moon were closer than about 11,500 miles, the moon would be broken into tiny pieces, much as the rings of Saturn.
The Missing Helium


Helium is generated as radioactive uranium decays. This is known as radiogenic helium, and is the primary source of helium in the earth's atmosphere. If the earth were really 4.5 billion years old as claimed by the evolutionists, the atmosphere would be saturated with this helium. But it isn't. Where did it go? It can't escape to space. The simple answer, of course, is that the earth isn't really that old.
The Comet Mystery

Comets, as they orbit the sun, are literally torn apart by gravitational forces, internal explosions, and solar winds. Short period comets can't exist for more than 10,000 years. Most astronomers believe that comets originated at the same time as the solar system. That limits the age of the solar system to about 10,000 years.

I'm not scientifically-minded, Bouke, but this looks like an excellent post, with good points - (I guess).

ICR, I think it is, now does a backtrack on that moondust theory, and tells us not to use it --- but I disagree with ICR's reason, and have even discussed this at length with someone in the know here (Frumious_Bandersnatch), and I conclude that that is indeed a viable point.

 

[AV1611VET]

You ought to throw in the one about NASA computers finding Joshua's lost day.

I believe that --- scientific equipment (including computers) can find anything they're programmed to find --- even trees that have been growing for +6100 years.

 

[busterdog]

Are you aware that every one of the paragraphs above is false information?

No. Its not false. It is extrapolation. It is theory. It is a mystery. It points out some of the gaps in orthodox evolutionary thinking.

Some of the talkorigins guys have tried to mumble their way out of some of these. Once they start talking about someone's credentials, as in the helium thing, you can tell you have stung them. Hominahominahomina.

 

[shernren]

Once they start talking about someone's credentials, as in the helium thing, you can tell you have stung them. Hominahominahomina.

Like calling Auerbach your Bret Favre and then disagreeing with 95% of what he says? Stung.

 

[busterdog]

Like calling Auerbach your Bret Favre and then disagreeing with 95% of what he says? Stung.

Actually its not like that at all.

 

[Mallon]

I have done Bouke's homework for him and scanned through talkorigins' List of Creationist Claims to see whether his arguments have already been refuted there. It turns out that each and every one of them has:

The Shrinking Sun


Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html

The Moon's Dust


Interplanetary dust and meteors is depositing dust on the moon at the rate of at least 14,300,000 tons per year. At this rate, if the moon were 4.5 billion years old there would be at least 440 feet of dust on the moon. The astronauts, however, found a layer only 1/8 to three inches thick. Three inches would take only 8000 years. Even evolutionists believe the moon is the same age as the earth, giving the earth's age as only 8000 years.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE101.html

The Magnetic Field


The earth has a magnetic field that is constantly decreasing due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The half-life of the magnetic field is 1400 years. Only 2800 years ago the magnetic field would be four times as strong as it is now. Only 10,000 years ago the magnetic field would be as strong as a magnetic star and be a nuclear power source as the sun. For this reason the earth could not be more than 10,000 years old.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701.html

The Earth's Rotation


The rotation of the earth is gradually slowing down at about .00002 seconds a year. The lost energy is transferred to the moon. The moon, therefore, is slowly moving away from the earth at about 4 centimeters a year. This would put the moon in contact with the earth less than 2 billion years ago. Yet, if the moon were closer than about 11,500 miles, the moon would be broken into tiny pieces, much as the rings of Saturn.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html

The Missing Helium


Helium is generated as radioactive uranium decays. This is known as radiogenic helium, and is the primary source of helium in the earth's atmosphere. If the earth were really 4.5 billion years old as claimed by the evolutionists, the atmosphere would be saturated with this helium. But it isn't. Where did it go? It can't escape to space. The simple answer, of course, is that the earth isn't really that old.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE001.html

The Comet Mystery

Comets, as they orbit the sun, are literally torn apart by gravitational forces, internal explosions, and solar winds. Short period comets can't exist for more than 10,000 years. Most astronomers believe that comets originated at the same time as the solar system. That limits the age of the solar system to about 10,000 years.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261.html

Rather than wasting time, then, I defer to the responses given by talkorigins. If you want to take issue with their individual responses, Bouke, feel free to do so here. But I see little point in beating a dead horse otherwise.

And busterdog will be happy to know that none of the links given above call into question the education (or lack thereof) of neocreationists.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Shrinking Sun


Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.

I have done Bouke's homework for him and scanned through talkorigins' List of Creationist Claims to see whether his arguments have already been refuted there. It turns out that each and every one of them has:


http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html

Let's see how talkorigins refuted this, shall we?

Other stars expand and contract cyclically. Our own sun might do the same on a small scale.

Some refutation --- [rolls eyes].

 

[huldah153]

There is actually an unfalsifiable argument for a young earth, which is the Omphalos hypothesis (the only creationist argument that works for me, really). This states that God created the world as if it were somewhere in the middle of a narrative, giving it a kind of "virtual past".

 

[Mallon]

Let's see how talkorigins refuted this, shall we?
Some refutation --- [rolls eyes].

Oh, AV. If only you were as critical of creation science as you are of all other sciences. Even ignoring for a moment the hypocrisy of a neocreationist using a uniformitarian argument, do you have any reason whatsoever to suspect that the sun does not cyclically expand and contract like every other star in the universe? Moreover, are you capable of substantiating the argument that the sun is, in fact, currently shrinking? Because according to the link I provided, the evidence is ambiguous at best.

 

[Mallon]

There is actually an unfalsifiable argument for a young earth, which is the Omphalos hypothesis (the only creationist argument that works for me, really). This states that God created the world as if it were somewhere in the middle of a narrative, giving it a kind of "virtual past".

What are your feelings about the theology implied by the Omphalos hypothesis?

 

[AV1611VET]

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http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37975061&postcount=1

 

[Dedeplease]

So your saying that in 1890 they had better technology to observe the cosmos than today?

Glasses and paper vs satellites computers advanced math and multiple measuring techniques?


Ignorance at its finest, protip- if some sort of data is 400 years old, its usually wrong, 400 years ago they thought the brain was a blood cooling system, and that bleeding people cured them. Yeah ok buddy.

 

[lemmings]

Let's see how talkorigins refuted this, shall we?Some refutation --- [rolls eyes].

You know AV, and the other Creationists out there, you would look a lot more creditable if you actually researched science in a historical context. In 1672 Jean Richer and Giovanni Domenico Cassini estimated that the distance from the Earth to the Sun was about 9.5 * 10^9 km, this is about 2/3s what it really is. This error would have put the Earth within the orbit of Venus.

Even after 400 years of shrinking, the sun’s diameter would have only decreased by 3,318 miles which is only 0.2% of the Sun’s current diameter of 1.392×10^6 miles. Considering that these people where off by 33%, it would have been impossible for them to have measured the diameter with an error of less than 0.2%.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even after 400 years of shrinking...

And 4.5 billion years ago? What was the sun's diameter then (i. e. from a uniformitarian perspective)?

 

[Bouke285]

You know AV, and the other Creationists out there, you would look a lot more creditable if you actually researched science in a historical context. In 1672 Jean Richer and Giovanni Domenico Cassini estimated that the distance from the Earth to the Sun was about 9.5 * 10^9 km, this is about 2/3s what it really is. This error would have put the Earth within the orbit of Venus.

Even after 400 years of shrinking, the sun’s diameter would have only decreased by 3,318 miles which is only 0.2% of the Sun’s current diameter of 1.392×10^6 miles. Considering that these people where off by 33%, it would have been impossible for them to have measured the diameter with an error of less than 0.2%.

You know Lemm and other Theistic Evolutionists out there, you would look a lot more creditable if you actually researched scripture in its literall context.
Just as well, if your precious Pb isotope dating methods were off by only 0.2% what effect would this have on your precious theories? You would find out the age of the earth as you know it would be off by a few million or billion years, and you would have to come up with books full of new formulas and theories to compensate.

 

[AV1611VET]

...and you would have to come up with books full of new formulas and theories to compensate.

That's nothing new to them --- they're used to that. What do you think tomorrow's Periodic Table will look like? Or what do you think they just did with Pluto? The difference is --- they call that progress.