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How many forms of evolution, are there?

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I know there are many forms of Creation, but I thought there was only one form of Evolution?

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Yet it seems there are more than one :confused:
 

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I know there are many forms of Creation, but I thought there was only one form of Evolution?

As far as biological evolution, just one and only one.


Yet it seems there are more than one :confused:

Nope, there is only one theory of evolution. Religious ideas concerning evolution are just that, religious ideas.
 
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As far as biological evolution, just one and only one.

That's what I thought. Yet there is the Evolution which Darwin explained in 5 parts & modern Evolution as it stands with all the respective lines of relative evidence, right?

Nope, there is only one theory of evolution. Religious ideas concerning evolution are just that, religious ideas.

I guess my own confusion begins when talk shifts from micro to macro and back again. :confused:
 
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That's what I thought. Yet there is the Evolution which Darwin explained in 5 parts & modern Evolution as it stands with all the respective lines of relative evidence, right?



I guess my own confusion begins when talk shifts from micro to macro and back again. :confused:

There is only one form of evolution as observed on Earth. Darwin created the theory and the modern form is just further development and refinement of Darwin's theory. Darwin got some things wrong at the time and there have been improvements. There will be further improvements. But there remains just one theory.

Macro and micro evolution is a concept limited to creationists that seem to use the artificial and non existent division to try and sow confusion.
 
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That's what I thought. Yet there is the Evolution which Darwin explained in 5 parts & modern Evolution as it stands with all the respective lines of relative evidence, right?

Darwin and modern are one in the same. We just know more than now Darwin knew.


I guess my own confusion begins when talk shifts from micro to macro and back again. :confused:

Berkeley states it as small-scale and large-scale. I may be mistaken, but micro and macro may be a term created by creationists; much like the creationists made up term "polystrate" for the geologic term "in situ". But regardless, the only difference between micro and macro is time.
 
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Berkeley states it as small-scale and large-scale. I may be mistaken, but micro and macro may be a term created by creationists; much like the creationists made up term "polystrate" for the geologic term "in situ". But regardless, the only difference between micro and macro is time.
No, macro- and microevolution are not terms invented by creationists. There's been genuine debate among (some) evolutionary biologists about whether macro includes processes beyond those in micro. Creationists do often misuse the terms, though.
 
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No, macro- and microevolution are not terms invented by creationists. There's been genuine debate among (some) evolutionary biologists about whether macro includes processes beyond those in micro. Creationists do often misuse the terms, though.

I like this topic.
 
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No, macro- and microevolution are not terms invented by creationists. There's been genuine debate among (some) evolutionary biologists about whether macro includes processes beyond those in micro. Creationists do often misuse the terms, though.

Thanks for the clarification and correction sfs. I have heard different takes on the origin of the terms micro and macro and wasn't sure, but did have suspicions. I don't mind acknowledging that biology is not my forte.
 
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No, macro- and microevolution are not terms invented by creationists. There's been genuine debate among (some) evolutionary biologists about whether macro includes processes beyond those in micro. Creationists do often misuse the terms, though.

Thanks for the clarification and correction sfs. I have heard different takes on the origin of the terms micro and macro and wasn't sure, but did have suspicions. I don't mind acknowledging that biology is not my forte.

Its my understanding that "micro" evolution referred to research by geneticists who were looking at point mutations and genetic variation within a population, while the term "macro" evolution referred to research by evolutionary biologists dealing with relations between taxonomic divisions. The difference is no longer emphasized as it once was, as nowadays there is a great deal of overlap.
 
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That exist or proposed mechanisms?

For proposed mechanisms of course there are many, depending on just how large a difference one counts as a new proposal.

Lamerckian Evolution stands in marked contrast to Darwinian Evolution.

In an ironic twist rather often creationists think Darwin proposed what was in fact proposed by Lamarck and which Darwin actively disputed.
 
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I know there are many forms of Creation, but I thought there was only one form of Evolution?

Yet it seems there are more than one :confused:

There is only one theory of evolution in science in the same way that there is a single Standard Model and a single standard theory of relativity in physics. There might be disagreement about the finer points, but there is a large amount of agreemone on the general theory.
 
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