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How many Eves are there? (Clan Mothers)
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<blockquote data-quote="Wiccan_Child" data-source="post: 59036133" data-attributes="member: 104966"><p>Correct so far.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not quite. It <em>does</em> change, but any mutation can only be passed from mother to child, so only her daughters and granddaughters can carry on the mutation across the generations.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, the Y Chromosome <em>does</em> undergo mutation, but as it is (almost) always only in men, its effects only show up in, and get passed down through, men.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Err, OK.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Ah, and you've done exactly what I asked you not to do. Remember, I said "so "Mitochondrial Eve is the blah blah, so therefore Genesis is literally true in every detail", doesn't count. Be <em>specific</em>" - yet you've done just that.</p><p></p><p>We can trace human lineage through the maternal-only Mitochondrial DNA, and the paternal-only Y-Chromosomal DNA, and can work out when the most recent common ancestors for those two DNA types should have lived - the maternal line has a common ancestor about 200,000 years ago, and the paternal line about 50,000-150,000 years ago.</p><p></p><p>So, tell us, how does that "show that Adam and Eve in the Bible were real Historical people"? How do genetic markers prove that the characters of Adam and Eve, as described in the Bible, were real people? No fudging the details now, this is the very point of the thread.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Undoubtedly, and that's the marvellous thing about science. Nonetheless, the recent discoveries of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam do not in any way support a literal (or even metaphorical) account of Genesis - and I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think otherwise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wiccan_Child, post: 59036133, member: 104966"] Correct so far. Not quite. It [I]does[/I] change, but any mutation can only be passed from mother to child, so only her daughters and granddaughters can carry on the mutation across the generations. Again, the Y Chromosome [I]does[/I] undergo mutation, but as it is (almost) always only in men, its effects only show up in, and get passed down through, men. Err, OK. Ah, and you've done exactly what I asked you not to do. Remember, I said "so "Mitochondrial Eve is the blah blah, so therefore Genesis is literally true in every detail", doesn't count. Be [I]specific[/I]" - yet you've done just that. We can trace human lineage through the maternal-only Mitochondrial DNA, and the paternal-only Y-Chromosomal DNA, and can work out when the most recent common ancestors for those two DNA types should have lived - the maternal line has a common ancestor about 200,000 years ago, and the paternal line about 50,000-150,000 years ago. So, tell us, how does that "show that Adam and Eve in the Bible were real Historical people"? How do genetic markers prove that the characters of Adam and Eve, as described in the Bible, were real people? No fudging the details now, this is the very point of the thread. Undoubtedly, and that's the marvellous thing about science. Nonetheless, the recent discoveries of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam do not in any way support a literal (or even metaphorical) account of Genesis - and I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think otherwise. [/QUOTE]
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