How many creationists practise what they preach?

[CarlaB]

Creationists ask that the schools should 'Teach both sides' meaning teach creationism along with evolution in the science class.

How many creationists here teach their home schooled children both sides?
How many creationists here are happy that their children are taught about evolution in school then teach them about creationism at home?

 

[AV1611VET]

Good questions.

Creationists ask that the schools should 'Teach both sides' meaning teach creationism along with evolution in the science class.

Creationism isn't science and doesn't belong in science class: it belongs in history class.

How many creationists here teach their home schooled children both sides?

None, I hope.

How many creationists here are happy that their children are taught about evolution in school then teach them about creationism at home?

None, I hope.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

I don't think we have much official home schooling here in the UK, but I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of evolution at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by creation scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

 

[AV1611VET]

I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by creation scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

Should someone show their kids a video on how to make a pipe bomb, then let them make up their own minds?

 

[Papias]

Should someone show their kids a video on how to make a pipe bomb, then let them make up their own minds?

Write it down - for once I agree with AV (aside from which view is correct). The kids should be taught what is correct, when that is known. The examples below show why.

...I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of evolution at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by creation scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of atoms at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by phlogiston scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of gravity at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by "Intelligent Falling" scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of DNA at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by Darwin's gemmulist scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of thermodynamics at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by caloric scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of AIDS at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by AIDS denying scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the about the holocaust at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by holocaust denier scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of pathology at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by humoric scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

I have no objection to my daughter being taught "ball earth" theory at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact. I want her to be exposed to all ideas, so she can make up her own mind, but I show her videos made by bible-based, flat earth scientists as well, so she can get the bigger picture.

There's a reason we teach kids facts, and there is more evidence showing that evolution is a fact than there is showing that the US Civil War actually happened. It would be very harmful to kids to convince them of known falsehoods.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[CarlaB]

but I have no objection to my daughter being taught the theory of evolution at school as long as she isn't taught it as a proven fact.

The problem you have is evolution is a fact, it has happened and is happening today and will continue to happen just as long as life exists.

 

[CarlaB]

Should someone show their kids a video on how to make a pipe bomb, then let them make up their own minds?

Once children can think for themselves and they knows about explosives and the damage they can do I see no reason why they should not be shown such a video, along with an explanation of why such a device would be made it would help to explain to them what kind of people there are in this world.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Interestingly enough, I wasn't taught either creationism or evolution formally until I was in middle school, and though it was just evolution, it was also optional. Students could be excused from it if their parents signed a form, and they were put in a study room and taught one of the other chapters.

Of course, the kids had the books, so they could technically have looked at the evolution material if they really wanted to.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

It would be very harmful to kids to convince them of known falsehoods.

Kids are intelligent people generally and will be able to make up their own minds about life's great mysteries as they develop. Some of the examples above are about science that has been verified in the lab (e.g. AIDS, DNA), while others deal with relatively recent history (e.g., The Holocaust), so one ought to be able to make a decision fairly easily about such topics. Other subjects, like whether the TOE is actual or just bad inference from available evidence are much harder to deal with unless one is an expert scientist, which is why I want my daughter to hear not only what the secular scientists have to say, but also great creation-believing scientists like Dr Menton. In that way, she will get a more balanced view of the issues.

 

[Papias]

Kids are intelligent people generally and will be able to make up their own minds about life's great mysteries as they develop.

Except that atoms, evolution, thermo, pathology, the US Civil War, etc are not mysteries, but facts.

Some of the examples above are about science that has been verified in the lab (e.g. AIDS, DNA), while others deal with relatively recent history (e.g., The Holocaust), so one ought to be able to make a decision fairly easily about such topics.

Evolution is as well established as a fact as any of those - more so than most.

Some of the examples above are about science that has been verified in the lab (e.g. AIDS, DNA), while others deal with relatively recent history (e.g., The Holocaust), so one ought to be able to make a decision fairly easily about such topics.

So do you, "to show her the bigger picture", also show her videos on the reality of gemmules, phlogiston, AIDS and Holocaust denial, the four humors, a bible-based flat earth, and so on? Or do you just single out evolution for irrational denial? So she "will get a more balanced view"?

not only what the secular scientists have to say, but also great creation-believing scientists like Dr Menton. In that way, she will get a more balanced view of the issues.

As an aside, you want that liar teaching your daughter? http://lancelet.blogspot.com/2007/03/dr-david-menton-is-liar.html


More to the point - You do know that most of the scientists who support evolution are Christians, right? It's a misportrayal (a lie) to suggest that this is "atheists (supporting evolution) against Christians (supporting creationism)". In reality, it is scientists who are Christians, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, agnostics, Jews, Buddhists, and seekers (practically all of whom support evolution), vs a tiny proportion of scientists - evidence deniers who are creationists. That's why most of the support for evolution in America comes from Christians, not atheists.

That's an simple fact. Right?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[JackRT]

To "teach the controversy" in a science class is an absolute crock because when it comes to the theory of evolution there really is no controversy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Once children can think for themselves and they knows about explosives and the damage they can do I see no reason why they should not be shown such a video, along with an explanation of why such a device would be made it would help to explain to them what kind of people there are in this world.

Wow ... okay.

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Students could be excused from it if their parents signed a form, and they were put in a study room and taught one of the other chapters.

My parents signed a from to get me out of s_x education.

It was gross.

 

[PsychoSarah]

My parents signed a from to get me out of s_x education.

It was gross.

Yeah, anyone that thinks sex ed makes people want to have sex is ignorant of how unpleasant it is. After seeing visuals on herpes, syphilis, and other nasties, sex was the last thing I wanted to have.

Kids could get slips not to take that too at my school.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Kids are intelligent people generally and will be able to make up their own minds about life's great mysteries as they develop. Some of the examples above are about science that has been verified in the lab (e.g. AIDS, DNA), while others deal with relatively recent history (e.g., The Holocaust), so one ought to be able to make a decision fairly easily about such topics. Other subjects, like whether the TOE is actual or just bad inference from available evidence are much harder to deal with unless one is an expert scientist, which is why I want my daughter to hear not only what the secular scientists have to say, but also great creation-believing scientists like Dr Menton. In that way, she will get a more balanced view of the issues.

You'd be amazed at how many people think HIV is a conspiracy and the medicines to treat it cause all of the disease symptoms, and how many people deny the Holocaust happened.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Once children can think for themselves and they knows about explosives and the damage they can do I see no reason why they should not be shown such a video, along with an explanation of why such a device would be made it would help to explain to them what kind of people there are in this world.

To be blunt, anyone that wants to find out how to make a pile bomb can via the Internet, but I would rather not have anyone purposely give kids any ideas. You can teach kids how to be safe when it comes to an item without teaching them how to make one. Pipe bombs: don't touch, and inform the police if you find what you suspect is a pipe bomb. Be sure to keep your distance too!

 

[South Bound]

Creationists ask that the schools should 'Teach both sides' meaning teach creationism along with evolution in the science class.

How many creationists here teach their home schooled children both sides?
How many creationists here are happy that their children are taught about evolution in school then teach them about creationism at home?

The difference is that, if something is publically funded, viewpoint discrimination is illegal.

What somebody chooses to do in their own home is not.

 

[CarlaB]

The difference is that, if something is publically funded, viewpoint discrimination is illegal.

What somebody chooses to do in their own home is not.

That's not what I asked and you know it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Should someone show their kids a video on how to make a pipe bomb, then let them make up their own minds?

Hardly a valid comparison since evolution is correct it is not "arming" a student when you teach him or her what happened. Now if your beliefs get "blown up" as a result that is not the child's fault, that is your fault for choosing a false belief in the first place.

 

[SkyWriting]

Creationists ask that the schools should 'Teach both sides' meaning teach creationism along with evolution in the science class.

How many creationists here teach their home schooled children both sides?
How many creationists here are happy that their children are taught about evolution in school then teach them about creationism at home?

Everyone learns how to breed animals and plants.
It's the stories about birds being dinosaurs that
have no value.