How Lies Are Told

[waves]

I created this post because of something I have been observing about how people tell lies and deceive others about someone else.

This is where the person who is lying, uses the words that another person has spoken as a basis for the lie they are telling. For example, a man may say that he has slept with many women at some point in time, and then persons trying to deceive others by saying that this same man slept with a specific woman but it simply isn't true, he didn't sleep with that particular person at all. But because of what this man had said previously about sleeping with many women, people believe the lie that is being told about him and becomes deceived, even when he tries to explain that it isn't true.


Another example is, a woman may say that she does not eat meat, and then another person says to someone else that this particular person says that they hate people who eat meat.


Exodus 20 verse 16 reminds us

[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.



Psalms 27 verse 11 and 12 states

[11] Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
[12] Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.


Psalms 35 verse 11

[11] False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.


Proverbs 6 verse 16-19

[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


Proverbs 12 verse 17

[17] He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

 

[salt-n-light]

I created this post because of something I have been observing about how people tell lies and deceive others about someone else.

This is where the person who is lying, uses the words that another person has spoken as a basis for the lie they are telling. For example, a man may say that he has slept with many women at some point in time, and then persons trying to deceive others by saying that this same man slept with a specific woman but it simply isn't true, he didn't sleep with that particular person at all. But because of what this man had said previously about sleeping with many women, people believe the lie that is being told about him and becomes deceived, even when he tries to explain that it isn't true.


Another example is, a woman may say that she does not eat meat, and then another person says to someone else that this particular person says that they hate people who eat meat.


Exodus 20 verse 16 reminds us

[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.



Psalms 27 verse 11 and 12 states

[11] Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
[12] Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.


Psalms 35 verse 11

[11] False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.


Proverbs 6 verse 16-19

[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


Proverbs 12 verse 17

[17] He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

I agree to this, sadly we make a practice of this, twisting truth to make a point. I recently realize this as well, and especially when it comes to disagreements, I can't tell you how painful it is when you know someone is purposely twisting words.

Has to be, whenever I do it, it pains me too it's like you have to actually formulate it in such a way that it appears true. I go to God everyday for Him to rightfully examine me, and discern me, because again, painful when I see the other person in conversation do it. No fruit bares from it.

 

[miamited]

Hi waves,

Well, you're likely not much wiser than myself at knowing someone else's heart. I believe that 'bearing false witness' describes a situation where the person who is giving testimony knows that they are not telling the truth. In both of your examples, that cannot be determined with any degree of accuracy unless you are somehow wired to the other person's mind.

There are training classes on witness' statements that explain how witness testimony is often different but that no one is intentionally trying to deceive anyone. They just saw the same event from a different perspective or judged what they saw through different filters.

So lying, where someone knows that the testimony that they are giving about an event is not the truth, is wrong and should be avoided at all costs. But in your example, you need to offer some proof that the person who is telling the next person that the woman hates others who eat meat actually got their information from the woman herself or rather from a third party. I would agree, however, that if you and I were standing with a third person speaking to the woman in question and she simply made the statement that she doesn't 'eat' meat and then that third party went off to another group of people and gave testimony that the woman said that she hates people that eat meat, that would be an untrue statement based on what little information that we have.

However, let's assume that the third person knows the woman a little better than you do and has spent more time with her and in other conversations the woman has told this third party that she doesn't eat meat and can't stand people who do because they smell funny. Oh, well, now the story's a bit different. Now there is some truth, maybe not that she hates people that eat meat, although in this day and age we throw the words love and hate around like they're just the same as like and dislike, that she doesn't like people who eat meat.

Finally, there is the matter of knowing another's heart. Is the third person trying to intentionally mislead whoever they are passing the information to or did they just misunderstand the woman's statement? I can't count the number of times in my life that I've said something to someone and they have responded back with their understanding of what I just said to them and I've said, "No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that...."

So, for me, it all comes down to the intention of the heart.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Tayla]

witness testimony is often different but that no one is intentionally trying to deceive anyone. They just saw the same event from a different perspective or judged what they saw through different filters.

Yes, a very good point. The mind is not trustworthy. I think Martin Luther noticed this.

 

[4x4toy]

I created this post because of something I have been observing about how people tell lies and deceive others about someone else.

This is where the person who is lying, uses the words that another person has spoken as a basis for the lie they are telling. For example, a man may say that he has slept with many women at some point in time, and then persons trying to deceive others by saying that this same man slept with a specific woman but it simply isn't true, he didn't sleep with that particular person at all. But because of what this man had said previously about sleeping with many women, people believe the lie that is being told about him and becomes deceived, even when he tries to explain that it isn't true.


Another example is, a woman may say that she does not eat meat, and then another person says to someone else that this particular person says that they hate people who eat meat.


Exodus 20 verse 16 reminds us

[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.



Psalms 27 verse 11 and 12 states

[11] Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
[12] Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.


Psalms 35 verse 11

[11] False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.


Proverbs 6 verse 16-19

[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


Proverbs 12 verse 17

[17] He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

I agree. I've seen plenty folks jump to conclusions or take what you say and twist it to say something
totally out of context ..

Gossip Proverbs 18:8 .. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

Proverbs 26:28 A lying tongue hates those it hurts,
and a flattering mouth works ruin ...... Not talking about honest compliments or uplifting

Miriam spoke against Moses wife ''an Ethiopian'' and God was angry and set to kill her but Moses interceded for her so God instead struck her with leprosy .. Interesting, the leper law says you must announce you are unclean wherever you go as a warning to others and gossips should be required to do the same .. Announce they are unclean to warn others that they will not be infected with gossip and become gossipers and unclean too ..