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If this is true (it isn't), then He doesn't choose those who fall away.
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If this is true (it isn't), then He doesn't choose those who fall away.Yes, I already said this. But God elects (chooses) us based on His future foreknowledge of our free will choices. See 1 Peter 1:1-2 (with a specical focus on verse 2).
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Typical Synergist. he thinks that God regenerates him after he does something that pleases God, even though the unregenerate man cannot please God in anything he says or does. He can't abide the idea that God would change his heart without his permission. He calls God evil for doing so. Scripture teaches monergistic regeneration prior to faith and repentance. They repent and believe BECAUSE they have been regenerated, not in order to become regenerated. And he thinks that he can please god by his own efforts. One confused dude!
Believing is pleasing. We cannot please Him in the flesh. This, we must be new creatures to please Him.No. We call upon God to help us to stop sinning and to have Him work thru us. The answer is ..... "not you."
We merely choose to abide with God or not. He does not force us to be saved.
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If this is true (it isn't), then He doesn't choose those who fall away.
Believing is pleasing. We cannot please Him in the flesh. This, we must be new creatures to please Him.
foreknowledge is not of what we will do, but is referring to knowing the person. You know, like Adam knew Eve, and she brought forth a son.
Okay. So He really isn't saving anyone who is not elect. Not in any real meaning way.The Elect are those who endure in the faith. But they are only elected or chosen ahead of time based on God's future foreknowledge that they would choose Him of their own free will.
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When you said you believe without being regenerate.Yes. Where did I say otherwise?
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In Romans 8 it's those He foreknew, not those He foreknew something about.No. Foreknowledge means... fore (before) knowledge. Like the word foresee. It means to see something ahead of time.
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Okay. So He really isn't saving anyone who is not elect. Not in any real meaning way.
In Romans 8 it's those He foreknew, not those He foreknew something about.
Why? Because I told you what scripture said?Then you have to conclude that God is the direct author of evil and the Judgment is just a farce.
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And you need verses to prove your case instead of insulting (Which only weakens your position).
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Amen. It makes them way too long.When you list 10 different points in a post, I will not respond.
Why? Because I told you what scripture said?
It's not a conclusion. It's what the text says.No. It is an inevitable conclusion. If God forced some people to not believe then they could not be held accountable for their evil because God designed them to only do evil. That would be like designing an airplane to not fly and then kicking it in anger because it doesn't fly.
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For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. - Romans 8:29
So Jason has said the Elect are those He foreknew would endure to the end. If that's the case, he will have to agree that the only ones predestined to be confirmed to the image of Christ are those who He knows will endure. And we also know from this passage the the ones He calls are the ones whom are predestined.
This makes Jason's theology very inconsistent.
Okay, I want you to stick with me. In this passage, who does God call?I don't see how. Predestined is just God knowing ahead of time (pre) the destiny of others (that they choose for themselves).
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It's not a conclusion. It's what the text says.
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