how is masturbation a sin

Masturbation is wrong.
End of story.
Seriously, if it needs this much justification and takes this much argument, obviously there's something deeply rooted in it that's wrong- one way or the other.
That's just what I'm thinking... But to each his own I guess.

HarborOrange said:

Masturbation is wrong.
End of story.
Seriously, if it needs this much justification and takes this much argument, obviously there's something deeply rooted in it that's wrong- one way or the other.
That's just what I'm thinking... But to each his own I guess.

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I completely agree

HarborOrange said:

Masturbation is wrong.
End of story.
Seriously, if it needs this much justification and takes this much argument, obviously there's something deeply rooted in it that's wrong- one way or the other.
That's just what I'm thinking... But to each his own I guess.

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Religion is wrong.
End of story.
Seriously, if it needs this much justification and takes this much argument, obviously there's something deeply rooted in it that's wrong- one way or the other.
That's just what I'm thinking... But to each his own I guess.

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Just saying.

Also, I find the idea that you admit to doing it, then condemn it, interesting. Do you just knowingly disregard God when you do it then?

Finally, as a general question, if, as it seems, God will forgive me for all my sins no matter what I do, why not just convert on my deathbed and save all the trouble?

cRIO said:

Just saying.

Also, I find the idea that you admit to doing it, then condemn it, interesting. Do you just knowingly disregard God when you do it then?

Finally, as a general question, if, as it seems, God will forgive me for all my sins no matter what I do, why not just convert on my deathbed and save all the trouble?

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I agree with your first point. Just because something may be argued about does not mean that it's wrong.
Personally, I also feel that only the lusting is sinful but that it is also nearly impossible to touch without lust. Like the saying goes, you don't want to play with fire or you just might get burned. You don't want to put yourself in a dangerous situation.

The mind isn't what is converted, it's the soul. Just because you decide in your head to "convert" does not mean your heart has surrendered itself to Jesus. You can't receive God's grace if you take it for granted. Only a repentant heart can receive God's grace.

cRIO said:

Just saying.

Also, I find the idea that you admit to doing it, then condemn it, interesting. Do you just knowingly disregard God when you do it then?

Finally, as a general question, if, as it seems, God will forgive me for all my sins no matter what I do, why not just convert on my deathbed and save all the trouble?

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I never admitted to doing it, did I?

Also, I despise religion. I subscribe to no religion whatsoever. So, I agree with you on changing my post to saying that religion is wrong.

However, one cannot convert on their deathbed and be saved unless they are literally, truly genuine. I mean, if you live your whole life denying the Messiah and the Law, knowing full well the Biblical consequences, then you can't genuinely convert. However, suppose someone had never heard of any of it until they were laying on their deathbed. If they chose to convert out of truthfulness in their soul, I imagine they would be shown mercy. The "once saved always saved" belief is a bunch of crap. lol. I mean, there is no Biblical basis for that.

One thing that I noticed from the anti-masturbation posts here is that most of them originate from the following things
1. Reading things into scripture instead of deriving it from scripture
2. Their own personal feelings and morals (which are completely and utterly irrelevant)
3. Useless religious platitudes and cliched, false teachings. . . .
I'm not looking to argue here so any replies made to this post me I'm not going to answer mostly due to straight-up laziness and unwillingness to debate anymore with Christians. . .
When you touch it is due to sexual arousal, so to say that you touch without sexual thoughts is like saying that you can eat a good, juicy steak without having any thoughts about how excellently cooked and seasoned it is. The two are as connected as my index finger is to my hand. They go hand-in-hand. . . . So because of this you do have some sexual thoughts of some kind when you touch. Now, here comes the other part, the lust part. What is lust?? According to some here it's sexual desire or sexual arousal for anyone other than a spouse. . . . bullcrap
Now don't dare twist my words, I'm not saying that you shouldn't honor your marriage covenant and you should go around sopping and drooling over every hot broad out on the streets. But here's the thing about that. . sexual desire is a normal reaction and does not equate to lust automatically. If I'm married (which thank God I'm not! ) and Scarlett Johansson happens to trip and fall and land in my lap and I get sexually aroused by it and like it am I lusting?? No, because regardless of feelings and whatever, that is a naturally ingrained response and that's how we're biologically programmed. On the flip side, if I were to suddenly start to dwell on that happening and start to want Scarlett for myself am I lusting?? Most definitely. . .
Christians are so afraid of sexual desire that they're willing to go out on a limb and condemn healthy, natural masturbation based on a few wrong Biblical interpretations and misread and misinterpreted words. Telling little Timmy that he's wrong for touching himself will cause him to unhealthily suppress his natural sexuality and not to mention causes an extreme amount of guilt when he unsurprisingly fails to do such things. The comedian Billy Connolly's father sexually molested him when he was a child because the Catholic Church wouldn't let him divorce his wife who had left the family. Why did he do this?? Sexual repression and an unhealthy view of sex, that's why. Had the church let him divorce his wife he'd have found someone else to marry and love on and express his 'eros' towards. But because of the fact that he was unable to have sex and express sex with someone (due to the absence of his previous wife) he molested his son. Now I'm not trying to justify what Billy's dad did, nor am I trying to embarrass or rile up anything, because I think Billy Connolly's an excellent comedian. Rather I'm trying to use an example of why suppressing sexual expression is detrimental to one's being, it's also incredibly irrational.
The definition of lust and sexual desire/pre-marital sex in the Bible has been misinterpreted and culturally tweaked so much throughout the years that it's no wonder that majority of Christians think the same way about it. I bet if some Christians from now were to be transported back in time and some from then transported to now that there'd be some real confusion going on. But why do I even need to point this out? Christianity has been culturally tweaked too much to really make any reliable statement on Biblical interpretation without looking up certain word origins and ancient culture meanings and what not. Not everything in the Bible can be taken at face value, some things need a deeper explanation and some real research done behind them before making any judgement at all. Most of you here make some pretty crappy and cliched arguments against masturbation. If you can't make an argument that's
1. Indisputable
2. Rational
3. Biblically sound
4. Interpreted correctly
then it isn't a good argument, plain and simple.

/rant

GiveItAll said:

I was up for a long time thinking about it last night, and trying to resist many urges that came about.. Masturbation is a sin because it doesn't originate from your faith, and it is adultery.
This is one of the main problems that is still around that was around before I was saved by Christ. I've been trying to resist, and it takes a lot of heart. Watch the movie 'Fireproof', it tells a lot about resisting urges and is just a good movie.
Yeah, sure, everyone does it, but you wouldn't jump off a bridge if everyone did that, too!
So, it's a touchy area, but I'm against it. I just wish it was easier to resist.

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I have in no way made any deeper research in this topic and I can't get into any deeper discussion in this topic without fooling myself or anyone else. Although I have a few thoughts I want to share.

About what you said about the movie, it's a great movie and I liked it! Although they guy in the movie going through the 40 day test, his problem to me ain't masturbation, it is masturbating to porn. Porn is something bad in my opinion because the whole business around it is not the most fair and Jesus-like business I can point out, rather the opposite. Also some porn can definitely twist your views of sex into weird things which I think can be harmful to you. Although a young boy growing up discovering masturbation, I don't know if I would see that as the same thing. Surely it's not these boys that are the biggest problem, and it is unfair of me to have that as a serious example, I just want to point out the contrast.

I can definitely agree on that being overly addicted to masturbation is a problem, maybe trying to resist during fast can be a good thing to try yourself and opening up for thoughts in both ways? And to all of you (not you GiveItAll) that say "That you argue about it and turns defensive is a sign that you have a problem with it". Well you are basically right, but this question is not as basic as if you see your children stealing a cookie and they heavily object to it, sure that's obvious. Often being defensive is a sign of knowing you are sinning, but sexual lust is among the most elementary functions among humans, it is the foundation to why we live and continue to after our father made his creation of us in the beginning. This question is not that easily dismissed with such a comment "you are defensive - you are a sinner". When it comes to such a thing as this we have the right to go it through and think in both ways. And don't you ever say that you wasn't defensive in this question from the beginning!

I'm not saying this in a bad manner trying to create anger or anything, it's just that you sound very tough to those that are new to this problem. Of course if the final conclusion we all make, that mastubation is a sin, we have to be very clear on this topic, but some people when they discuss this sounds as if they haven't ever masturbated themselves or cannot see more than one side of this problem. If you now tries to be picky about my post here and point out that I'm wrong, first off I haven't said that I'm right. I am not sure in anything of this, it's thoughts and opinions. I'm not trying to persuade anyone, just giving this question some light from another perspective. Also when I talk about sexual lust as a basic human function for life, I'm well aware that mastubation doesn't end up in a woman giving birth to a new person, but it is the same driving force behind it all making this harder than what some people make it sound as.

Peace!

It's sin... Taken from YouTube:

This is a true story:
I was addicted to masturbation and pornography but I stopped cold turkey and repented. I kid you not, a demon tried to possess my body and I knew psychically that it wanted me to touch while it tried to jump through my chest. Another time it froze me in my sleep and tried to stroke my genitals.
These demons know you and they want you to stay in sin. They set up stumbling blocks to mess up your walk with Christ.
Masturbation and pornography is a sin, folks.

Honestly though, at the same time, masturbation can be the lesser of two evils. Of course, I don't condone it, and I believe it is wrong. However, what's worse? Masturbating to let off some sexual tension, or having sex/being tempted in that area?

I'd say masturbating is a much greater, and more innocent, option. Yes, it is still wrong. Yet, if you touch, then you can release that arousal and move on with your life. However, if you let it build up inside you and you don't have enough self-control, you very well may find yourself having sex or watching pornography... I don't know, that's just what I think about it. I think it can be a better option if one lacks sexual self-control and would otherwise end up committing a rather terrible act (pre-marital sex, etc.)

God also gave us mouths to drink but does that make getting wasted right? Obv not since it says right in the bible not to be get drunk. Satan can make anything God puts here for good a bad thing. That's where you have to decide what to do.

The bible doesn't just say not to look at a woman. It says to not even THINK about a person lustfully. It says even thinking makes you an adulterer. This is because God considers yourself married to anyone you include in those practices. And since he says for only one woman and one man then naturally you wouldn't be able to with anyone but your wife. When you are married, then you can all you want with your wife but at that point actually sex would prolly be better.
If its a fear of being without it then you need to quit cuz that's a sign of addiction. And the less and less you worry about that and the more you worry about God the easier it will be and the better you will feel.

Carbohydrate said:

1. He didn't make mistakes, though. If we can do it without sex, then of course we should be able to...
2. Your imagination isn't really looking at a girl, though. Your immagination, I'm sure, should be fine?

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Now that the Arnold Schwarzennegar is no longer the "Governator", he has nothing to stand in the way of his acting career now. I wonder if he would star in the movie "Onan the Barbarian"?

HarborOrange said:

Honestly though, at the same time, masturbation can be the lesser of two evils. Of course, I don't condone it, and I believe it is wrong. However, what's worse? Masturbating to let off some sexual tension, or having sex/being tempted in that area?

I'd say masturbating is a much greater, and more innocent, option. Yes, it is still wrong. Yet, if you touch, then you can release that arousal and move on with your life. However, if you let it build up inside you and you don't have enough self-control, you very well may find yourself having sex or watching pornography... I don't know, that's just what I think about it. I think it can be a better option if one lacks sexual self-control and would otherwise end up committing a rather terrible act (pre-marital sex, etc.)

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again, you aren't basing this off of scripture nor rationality, you're basing on your own personal beliefs and morals. If you were to give some scriptural 'evidence' it'd probably either have nothing to do with the subject being discussed or it'd be to vague to connect to it. Also I noticed that you said that you believe that its wrong. I have no problem with people who have their opinion, everyone's entitled to one, but at the same time don't act like its a moral absolute when you think masturbation and what not is wrong because thousands of people, Christians included, believe that you're wrong.
Masturbation isn't wrong, read the long-behind post I made a couple pages ago. Like I said, telling little Timmy that he's wrong for touching himself is total bullcrap. It denies natural and rational sense.
don't take this the wrong way, though. . .

MasterpieceMesias said:

again, you aren't basing this off of scripture nor rationality, you're basing on your own personal beliefs and morals. If you were to give some scriptural 'evidence' it'd probably either have nothing to do with the subject being discussed or it'd be to vague to connect to it. Also I noticed that you said that you believe that its wrong. I have no problem with people who have their opinion, everyone's entitled to one, but at the same time don't act like its a moral absolute when you think masturbation and what not is wrong because thousands of people, Christians included, believe that you're wrong.
Masturbation isn't wrong, read the long-behind post I made a couple pages ago. Like I said, telling little Timmy that he's wrong for touching himself is total bullcrap. It denies natural and rational sense.
don't take this the wrong way, though. . .

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Oh no, I totally know what you mean. I struggle with this topic because there truly is nothing in the Scriptures that specifically defines masturbation as wrong. I, personally, have decided that it's wrong because it causes lustful thoughts in ones mind. It wasn't really something that people had to deal with when the Bible was written due to the young marriage ages and such... But now, we wait until we're practically 30, so we either have pre-marital sex, or we touch... It's a slippery slope, and there's not really a right or wrong answer about. I consider it wrong because of the thought process involved, but there's nowhere that says its wrong, just like there's nowhere that says it's right.

I know what you're saying.

I believe masturbation is bad in an unhealthy way, not only demonic too but also unhealthy. I remember that I got a pain in the urethra many times when I masturbated.

Masturbation is not natural just because many people do it. It's perversion, I believe.

Galatians 5:22-33
22 But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

23 Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].


1 Corinthians 6:18
Shun immorality and all sexual looseness [flee from impurity in thought, word, or deed]. Any other sin which a man commits is one outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
1 Corinthians 6:17-19 (in Context)

bobbyfisher said:

If masturbation is a sin, why did God create masturbation??

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Well, it is not so much that God created masturbation, but he did create our bodies, with all their marvels and mysteries. We are truly an awesome creation and in that, we have built into us an amazing thing called sexuality. The fact that He allowed us a mechanism to relieve our sexual tension without actually having sex I believe is a demonstration of His grace. In other words, I believe God knew we would have problems with sex, and he has afforded us a way to relieve the physical tension without complicating our lives by "requiring" a sexual partner. It doesn't mean that is the more excellent way of relieving the physical tension but it does provide an alternative.
My belief is that MB can be a practical release for a physical tension. Is it the best way? Perhaps not, but it may be a better way than other alternatives.

eddy314 said:

Well, it is not so much that God created masturbation, but he did create our bodies, with all their marvels and mysteries. We are truly an awesome creation and in that, we have built into us an amazing thing called sexuality. The fact that He allowed us a mechanism to relieve our sexual tension without actually having sex I believe is a demonstration of His grace. In other words, I believe God knew we would have problems with sex, and he has afforded us a way to relieve the physical tension without complicating our lives by "requiring" a sexual partner. It doesn't mean that is the more excellent way of relieving the physical tension but it does provide an alternative.
My belief is that MB can be a practical release for a physical tension. Is it the best way? Perhaps not, but it may be a better way than other alternatives.

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No, masturbation is a perversion of something that is used for the purpose of making children, with a woman, or the other way around. The sexual organ is used for peeing too.

Jonathan95 said:

No, masturbation is a perversion of something that is used for the purpose of making children, with a woman, or the other way around. The sexual organ is used for peeing too.

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utter nonsense. . . .
it is a perversion of nothing. . What other purpose does it serve?? It isn't like homosexuality or extra-marital sex. Like I said to another poster, your arguments aren't rational nor are they even scripturally supported. None of the previous verses you said mentioned anything about masturbation nor about it being sexual immorality even about healthy and unhealthy sexuality. There are simply some things that the Bible is silent on, and masturbation is one of them. There is no specific verse or direct connection from scripture that you can make from masturbation and any negative connotation. Whatever other argument you might have I bet I can probably refute in some way. No offense. . .

eddy314 said:

Well, it is not so much that God created masturbation, but he did create our bodies, with all their marvels and mysteries. We are truly an awesome creation and in that, we have built into us an amazing thing called sexuality. The fact that He allowed us a mechanism to relieve our sexual tension without actually having sex I believe is a demonstration of His grace. In other words, I believe God knew we would have problems with sex, and he has afforded us a way to relieve the physical tension without complicating our lives by "requiring" a sexual partner. It doesn't mean that is the more excellent way of relieving the physical tension but it does provide an alternative.
My belief is that MB can be a practical release for a physical tension. Is it the best way? Perhaps not, but it may be a better way than other alternatives.

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actually it is the 'best' way. . . and here's why.
1. You could have sex with someone. . . not a good idea unless you're in a monogamous relationship (shut up about the pre-marital thing I'm not getting into that here) you could possibly get someone pregnant (or if female you could get pregnant) or get an STD. But at the same time if fear of an STD is what is always keeping you from having sex then you'll die a virgin.
2. You could watch porn. . . also a bad idea, it is an unhealthy and unrealistic portrayal of sex and it makes something God made seem vulgar and butt-backwards lool.
3. You could suppress it. . . read one of my longer posts on the last page. That'll be bad for you as well. What happens when you keep suppressing certain gasses?? They explode. One's sexuality works the exact same way. You'll either end up being miserable or end up doing something you'll regret.
so yes, masturbation is the best way because it's better than all the other options. That's the definition of best loolz. . .

I didn't want to sound too patronizing, but I would agree the alternatives do leave you open for more grief than does self-stimulation. I guess the question was more rhetorical in nature.

Well my mentor and friend explained it to me like this:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

and if you don't see how this relates to masturbation then I will highlight the words which pertain.

• whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her
• And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out
• And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee

Well I think Jesus is gently suggesting in these three scriptures not to touch because those three steps pertain to the act. First the object of your desires activates your urge to touch; then you look and then you act.

Anyway I was trying my best not to be too descriptive for the younger people on the forum. Anyway; that's my five cents on the subject.

Please don't stone me or throw big nasty old socks at me