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Hang on, I ma paraprashing the cited and quoted scriptures Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Ephesians 5 etc. that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'. Straight and gay? Where are they mentioned or those concepts in the Bible? You are still looking at what God says from a homosexuality point of view whereas if you looked at homosexuality from a God point of view you would see it is wrong thinking (ie Romans 1).No one has ever denied that gays can sin sexually in the same ways that straights can.
I don't think anyone is equating heterosexuality with sin.But you didnt answer my question, why does God find those heterosexuals sinners? How could God who you say created heterosexuals possibly have made them sinners?
THE CHURCH ITSELF used to celebrate same-sex relationships, Floating Axe, the CHURCH not just individuals. Take the time to educate yourself because all you are doing is bringing your point of view into dishonour by your lack of education.
I didn’t say that I said heterosexual sinners not heterosexuality. Or do you think sexual attractions and sexual acts are the same thing?I don't think anyone is equating heterosexuality with sin.
Yes it condemns them, Genesis 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1, and excludes them Gen 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 7, Hebrews 13.Heck, even the Bible refers to homosexual unions, so I don't get how anyone can claim it doesn't exist.
Aside from saying "The Bible SEZ" over and over again, and citing ridiculously out of context verses, I'm really having a great deal of difficulty understanding exactly what it is you are trying to say.To EnemyPartyII,
I didnt say that I said heterosexual sinners not heterosexuality. Or do you think sexual attractions and sexual acts are the same thing?
actually none of the cited verses refer to homosexual unions. Oops, you were wrong, again. as always, feel free to prove me wrong. Cite the specific part of any given passage that actually says IN CONTEXT that "homosexual unions are wrong".To EnemyPartyII
Yes it condemns them, Genesis 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1, and excludes them Gen 2, Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 7, Hebrews 13.
The only sex in the David and Jonathan account is where David sees an attractive woman and sleeps with her, and marries women, all that happened between David and Jonathan was love.
They all do. Men wanting sex with men is waning a homosexual union not a herosexual one, or are you suggesting homosexual is not same-sex attraction? I think you will find the dictionary says it is.actually none of the cited verses refer to homosexual unions.
I don't believe it. I believe that what you are purveying is false and is only brought up here to validate the sin that is blatantly promoted here.
Not the Church of Jesus Christ. No. Even a church group who embraces it is headed for ruin.
Any Christian knows what the Word of God says about it. The Church of Jesus Christ has not veered from the truth in this matter. You must be referring to a renegade group--small "c".
It has not existed (or flourished) in Christendom, nor in the Word of God.
No I am right the Christian church is splitting and I am sure and confident of what the Bible says, i'll go by that, you are free to chose what you believe but I think you deny the Bible.And you would be wrong.
To EnemyPartyII
They all do. Men wanting sex with men is waning a homosexual union not a herosexual one, or are you suggesting homosexual is not same-sex attraction? I think you will find the dictionary says it is.
Polite? LOL!
Those whose consciences are seared by sin--well---they are rejecting God's word out of hand and they will pay for their own sin, because they make a mockery of Jesus' atonement.
God says it is an abomination. Therefore, guess what? It is! It's not rocket science. Immorality is not something that is perceived individually. God tells us plainly what it is. What we are discussing here is the sinfulness of homosexuality. those who follw closely after God and have a relationship with Jesus Christ will be sensitive to that fact.
EC, In suggesting a little historical research I was not necessarily suggesting the ECF. However allow me to suggest some reading which might provide some thoughtful pauses for you, and others, wrt Homosexual marriages.
Smith-Rosenberg, The Female World of love and Ritual: Relations Between Women in Nineteenth-Century America, I SIGNS I, 9, 27 (1975)
As well I recommend the following books;
Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century
by John Boswell, University of Chicago Press, 1981, ISBN 0226067114
Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe. By John Boswell. New York: Vintage Press, 1995, ISBN 0679751645.
A review of which makes the following observations:
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As noted racists have issues with the behavior blacks engage in when the behave as if they were social equal to whites not specifically the color of anyones skin. Racists dont mind blacks who act in their biblically defined roles
I believe I have stated that several times myself. Orientation is not behavior I agree completely.Sexual orientation is not behavior
I don't know of any homophobes here although I am pretty new, but I think most would be content if homosexuals who actively engaged in homosexual sex would cease that activity. I don't know much about the ex-gay ministries and am not qualified to comment about them but I would doubt that it is possible to change who one is attracted to.It is interesting to note that even the most rabid homophobes here would be content if gays and lesbians pretended to be heterosexual (thus a behavior) which is the cornerstone of ex-gay ministries. Of course pretending to be heterosexual doesnt make one heterosexual.
And racists happily state that their beliefs are based on the bible just like yours are.
You seem to think your position is morally superior to theirs. Can you explain why?
From my experience and education racists hate blacks because they believe them to be inferior. They may also hate the behavior or some blacks but that is not the root of the hatred.Does that mean racists hate blacks or just the way blacks choose to behave?
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