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homophobia is a myth.
homophobia is a myth.
Their voices are not leading the gay activist movement.
Gay adherants do not wish to repent and sin no more, in fact, as we have seen with groups like Soulforce, they encourage the act of gay sex.
I can only judge the fruit. Gay activism = gay sex.
I am going to try hard to no longer comment on what unbeleivers do.
Jesus and the Apostles opposed false teacher and false teachings. We are to do the same otherwise you have what you have in the liberal-progressive Church, which is "anything goes," except for truth that is.
We do. It's called evnagelizing the lost. Now, these people are demanding to be called Christian and rule us in our Churches.
The wheat and the weeds. Jesus saw gay activism in the Church coming.
If a Muslim thinks that Islam is Christian truth and desires to preach Islam in a Church, OUT he goes, or opposed he will be. Actually I see Islam and Gay Rights spread in very similar ways.
You do realize that Gays and Muslims demand to silence Christians that hold to the Apostolic teachings don't you?
To you it may not matter that other people are oppressed by so called "upright Christians", to Jesus I would state it certainly matters. He gave the most stern rebuke to Pharisees and Sadducees..
Wait a second! You said earlier:
You were arguing that gay persons wanted to do the above, and now you're suggesting that not all gay persons want to do the above. If that is the case, it is likely that homosexuals, like any other humans, have varying opinions on their sexuality and religion, correct?
If so, there will be some homosexuals who want their churches to OK gay sex and gay marriage within the church
- and others who don't want that,
. . . and, like some of my college buddies, want to live a life of chastity and adherence to the teachings of scripture and the Church while mastering their homosexual tendencies.
You cannot deny the existence of this group by painting the entire demographic with an "OH NOEZ THEY WILL PWN US" brush.
There are gays who do not want the Churches to accept gay marriage, and there are gays who wish to live a life of chastity and self-denial.
There are also others who believe otherwise, but you need to learn to distinguish between the two before you condemn innocent people along with the guilty ones.
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
And that is what some of you were.
But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Sexual Immorality
"Everything is permissible for me"
but not everything is beneficial.
"Everything is permissible for me"
but I will not be mastered by anything.
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food" (ed note hear sarcasm) but God will destroy them both.
The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
No, it does not. Gay activism refers to a series of social movements regarding the social acceptance of gays and gay sexuality.
Gay sex is a physical function performed between two consenting homosexuals.
Alas, this did not answer my question. If nonbelievers are free to do what they wish, then it follows that two homosexuals obtaining a marriage license from the state and performing gay sex would be legally permissible, correct? And if it is sinful - like I said earlier, who are you to stop them?
Indeed, He did oppose false teachers and false teachings. Did Jesus call for their isolation and removal from society? No.
There is a difference between disagreeing with anothers' views and then forcing your own views upon that person.
You again paint the entire gay demographic with an "OH NOEZ" brush.
As I pointed out before, not all gays wish to see gay sex accepted by their churches.
You are again operating from the false assumption that a gay person must perform gay sex acts in order to be gay.
This is manifestly false. By your argument, many straight people who are virgins would be asexual since they have not performed any sex acts.
Then you should not have a problem waiting for the day when the weeds are separated from the wheat. Until then, it makes sense not to condemn a group of people as "weeds" when in fact there may be "wheat" amongst them.
I see Christian fundamentalism spread in a far more similar fashion to fundamentalist Islam, by using fearmongering tactics and demonizing entire groups.
Yet another stereotyping. Please understand that not all gays and/or Muslims share the same beliefs.
I would say much mainstream Christianity is now being called fundamentalist by gay and lesbian, atheist and secular groups, whereas mainstream Islam isn’t.I see Christian fundamentalism spread in a far more similar fashion to fundamentalist Islam, by using fearmongering tactics and demonizing entire groups.
Only somebody who's never experienced homophobia, and doesn't know anyone who's experienced it, can possibly suggest that it's a myth. It's as real as sexism, racism, or any other kind of bigotry.
David.
To Technocrat2010,
I would say much mainstream Christianity is now being called fundamentalist by gay and lesbian, atheist and secular groups, whereas mainstream Islam isnt.
I think there is an element of prophetic truth in Polycarp fan's comment which is somewhat demonstrated by your response because mainstream Christianity knows homosexual practice is sin and error.
I don't know who Lawrence King is.Could you explain this statement, which borders on the insane?
What about Lawrence King?
To Technocrat2010,
I would say much mainstream Christianity is now being called fundamentalist by gay and lesbian, atheist and secular groups, whereas mainstream Islam isnt.
I think there is an element of prophetic truth in Polycarp fan's comment which is somewhat demonstrated by your response because mainstream Christianity knows homosexual practice is sin and error.
A repenting sinner is no longer guilty of what the did that was a sin. Your ideology that you are always what you "were" before you repent is rather odd.
It is usually taught, that those that promote sin and sinning are in a worse position (and condition) than just a sinner. Jesus threatned those who would cause others to sin.
Those would be "Christians."
Are you trying to say that you are always the sinner you were, after you repent? It sounds like that is what you are promoting with your premise.
I can deny the promoting of sin in a Christian Church. No "real" Church promotes sin and sinning. Read what the Apostles have to say on that.
"Go, and sin no more." Why do you desire to continue to label a person by their past forgiven sinning. Where do you justify that idea?
I have demonstrated a consistency in presenting the two sides of gay culture, the gay agenda, and gay theology. There is no support for any one of them in the Apostolic witness.
Here, see for yourself as Paul writes to "Greeks" (if you know what I mean) in Corinth:
It is not Bible believing Christians that are the hateful group.
Gay culture. But not Christian culture.
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I have written over and over again, I do not care what pagans or secularists do. It is when these people come into the Church with their obviously non Christian beleif systems and attempt to force their false teachings and beliefs on Christians, that I protect my brothers and sisters in Christ by opposing gay culture "in" the Church.
Why you would want to support same-gender marriage is bewildering.
There shouldn't even be one word spoken for or against gay marriage for non and anti-Christians. Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. Not one supporting thing. Remember? But He was perfectly clear on what and who a marriage is, "for believers."
Uh, yes. He said to "kleave them alone" and that He and His angles would deal with them on judgment day.
Tell THAT to gay activists. Their running around in the Church with their gay agenda and their gay culture falsely teaching it is OK "for Christians."
Please dispense with the college student rote. ALL gay activism is the same agenda. It is what it is.
Now, Ex-Gays, those people are in the Church.
Please point me to these gay activists.
The only voices I hear in gay activism pointed towards Christians, is that gay sex is wondeful and God ordained it and "blesses" it. Completely false teeachings but completely consistent with the gay agenda and its well-defined gay culture.
No, rather I am going on past sins forgiven no longer define a person. The New Testament witness is that very thing.
They are people doing well. In Christ, there are no labels applied to people to excuse away their sins, and yet still call them what they were.
We are not to harm anyone. Contending for the faith is an act of love. Pointing out weeds and encouraging your brother or sister in Christ not to become one is an act of love. I have never once contended against sin forgiven. I make my apologia towards those that claim that sin and sinners can redefine that by some clever use of neologism.
EVERY Apostle was a "fundamentalist Christian." Care to think about your statement in light of the Apostolic witness?
Jesus is literally creation science. Read what the fundamentalist Christian John has to say about that in the Gospel that bears his name.
By their fruit . . .
In that case, by letting non-Christians practice their faiths, are you promoting their beliefs?
A homosexual is not a sinner by definition, because in order to commit a grave sin of sodomy, the homosexual must engage in that act.
You erroneously imply that a homosexual is defined not by his/her orientation but rather by whether or not the said homosexual engages in gay sex acts.
By that argument, in order to be considered straight one must engage in heterosexual sex acts - which is also a false statement.
I have already addressed this point several times and so far it has been ignored, and the point is this: that there is a difference between having an attraction and acting on that attraction.
A homosexual need not engage in gay sex to be considered homosexual; likewise a heterosexual need not engage in straight sex to be considered heterosexual.
I'm aware of what the Apostles have said on the matter, but from what I recall, the Apostles didn't preach in favor of coercion.
Please see my above response. You have ignored the fact that a homosexual need not commit the sin of gay sex to be a homosexual. You falsely link the attraction and the act.
No, you have not. You have been inconsistent by ignoring the portion of the homosexual population that adheres to Christian teachings on sexuality and chastity.
Again, I have no arguments with this passage. Sexual immorality is a grave issue, but you are conflating attraction with action.
No, it is not. It is a sexual act. Here is the definition of "Culture":
Please tell me at any point where "sexual intercourse" is mentioned in that definition.
Why people try to restrict the secular freedoms of gay persons is even more disturbing.
I do not believe the Catholic Church should succumb to the pressure and accept same-sex marriages, but if gay persons want to be legally recognized by the state and engage in same-sex marriages by obtaining a license or going to a Church that allows same-sex marriages, it is not my problem.
I agree that Jesus made it clear what marriage was for. But if someone chooses to sin and misuse it, are you going to remove their free will and coerce them into doing so?
I think not. You said you don't care what they do, as long as they don't force the Church to do it. I am with you on that sentiment exactly - my argument is, "do you want gay marriage? Fine - just not in my church."
More and more I get the feeling that we are not as far apart on the issue as we initially appeared.
We could tell that to the Christian dominionists who seek to prevent the state from recognizing same-sex marriages, too.
Dispense with the college student rote? I am a college student.
Can you verify your claim that all gay activism is the same?
Here's an interesting excerpt - http://bcm.bc.edu/issues/summer_2003/ft_catholic.html
And from a personal experience I have several close college friends who are homosexuals and Catholics, and promote a chaste, celibate lifestyle. They participate in our school's Newman center and I believe they have talked on the matter as well.
Perhaps you should check the entire spectrum before listening to the loudest people.
You misuse the label of "homosexual" and "gay" and assume that they must engage in those acts!
It's like saying that because John Doe is still a virgin, then he is asexual.
But you first need to understand what it is you are defending against before you can properly defend the Church. If you don't know what it is you are defending against, you are no better than a person who wears chain-mail to stop arrows, only to find the opponent is using AP bullets.
Did every Apostle argue that gays should be isolated and thrown out of society?
Did every Apostle argue that creation "science" is the only true way of looking at the natural world?
Did every Apostle support points of dominionism?
The Catholic St. John did not deny the possibility of God using natural laws to enact His will.
Have you seen all of their fruit or are you just going by what the media most often presents?
I do not desire to debate evolution, until atheists that use evolution to bash Christians can come up with something from nothing. 0 x 0 = 0.
You're joking right? Whether anti, non, or Christian, every gay and lesbian is demanding the very same thing. Do you not listen to "THEM?"
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