“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).
How "hath he given"? When "hath he given"?
How "hath he given"? When "hath he given"?
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How "hath he given"?
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It seems to say, that as God hath life that is everlasting and eternal, so Christ is also... the 'grant' part is what we cannot seem to grasp.....
Life Through the Son
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
24"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come outthose who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Life Through the Son
16So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
24"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. 28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come outthose who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
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“Original, unborrowed, underived”
Despite her Trinitarian background in the Methodist Church, Ellen White never used the terms “Trinity,” or “Triune God.” In 1898, in The Desire of Ages on page 530 the following statement appeared:
In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. “He that hath the Son hath life.” 1 John 5:12. The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life. (Desire of Ages, p. 530)
Was she now advocating a Trinitarian position? Following the rule that “The testimonies themselves will be the key that will explain the messages given,” we look to an article published one year prior to the publication of The Desire of Ages. This article appeared in The Signs of the Times and was entitled, “Christ the Life-giver.” We find in this article a clarification of Sister White’s understanding of the concept.
“In him was life; and the life was the light of men” (John 1:4). It is not physical life that is here specified, but immortality, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Life-giver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself” (John 10:18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. (The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897- See Also 1 SM, pp. 296, 297)
The significance of this statement is tremendous! While stating that Christ’s life was “original, unborrowed, underived,” she also stated that “this life is not inherent in man.” The next two sentences opens up a whole new perspective: “He [man] can possess it [life, original, unborrowed, underived] only through Christ. He [man] cannot earn it [life, original, unborrowed, underived]; it is given him as a free gift if he [man] will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour.”
According to what Sister White wrote a year before The Desire of Ages was published, man is offered the same quality of life that Christ had. If Christ could bestow this life as a free gift upon man, then He could have received that same life from His Father. It was the original, unborrowed, underived life of the Father that Christ possessed and is able to bestow upon man. Is this what Jesus meant when He said; “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.” (John 5:26)?
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If having "original, unborrowed, underived" "life" means one is a eternally God, does that mean you and I will be God in the future when we get that life?
Does using Ellen White in that way for the Son of God prove too much?
Does using Ellen White in that way for the Son of God prove too much?
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-"I don't agree with what is here, so I'll report the post."
I'd rather comments on John 5:26 and the SOP quotes.
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Did someone report you EGW?
OH MY GOODNESS!!!! I just saw that someone did report you--what NERVE!!!! For what pray tell?
OH MY GOODNESS!!!! I just saw that someone did report you--what NERVE!!!! For what pray tell?
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