Cool. Is there an online source with graphs that I can learn more about this?
Yes. I am. Thank youIf interested I have a 7 feasts blog here on CF:
Feasts Of The Lord - Blog | Christian Forums
As for the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles, I see a couple of possibilities. I suppose it would make the most sense for that to be fulfilled when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in at Christ's return (2 Peter 3:10-13) at which point the tabernacle of God will be with us.
Actually, all the feasts are figurative of the church age. . .being figurative of both single and on-going events, the Sabbath and Unleavened Bread being figurative of on-going church-age events only, the Passover being figurative of a single church-age event only, and Firstfruits and Weeks being figurative of both single and on-going church-age events.
Sabbath--commemorating God's full-time rest from work, prefiguring our entering into God's full-time Sabbath rest in the full-time salvation rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' completed work which saved us.
Passover--commemorating salvation from the angel of death, figurative of our salvation from eternal death in our Passover Lamb. Christ was sacrificed on this feast as our Passover Lamb.
Unleavened Bread--commemorating the exodus, figurative of the purging of sin from our lives.
Firstfruits--first fruits (stem) of the wheat harvest presented to God, figurative of two things: the Branch (stem) of the Lord (Messiah) presented to God as firstfruits of the resurrection, Christ rose on this feast; and we now have firstfruits of eternal life on earth; i.e., the Holy Spirit indwelling us (Romans 8:23).
Weeks (wheat full harvest)--commemorating the giving of the law on Sinai, figurative of two things: the pouring out of the Holy Spirit who is the full harvest of the cross; and harvest time in the kingdom of God, when the (wheat) harvest of the cross is reaped, with joy in heaven at the repentance of the elect. The Holy Spirit was poured out on the church on Weeks (Pentecost).
Let go of the bone.Why was it important for Jesus to fulfill the Spring feasts on the same days they were fulfilled in the OT, but unimportant involving the Fall feasts in like manner, if they are all figurative of the church age?
Let go of the bone.
Did you give consideration to what I presented regarding single events and on-going events in the church age?
An ongoing event; e.g, the gospel call (Trumpets), is an on-going event throughout the church age being continually fulfilled every day, across all the feasts.
You baffle me sometimes. Don't you believe that Zechariah 14:16-19 occurs after Christ's return during the thousand years? You always bring up Zechariah 14 to back up your Premil view. Now you're saying it relates to the NHNE, which is ushered in after the thousand years?I find it unbelievable that you would even propose this possibility, the fact when you and I discuss Zechariah 14:16-19, which involves the feast of tabernacles, you insist that can't be meaning post the 2nd coming because that would involve literal animal sacrificing resuming. Yet, it is during the NHNE that I am proposing that Zechariah 14:16-19 is involving, the fact it is meaning during the time involving Zechariah 14:11, where I take the Jerusalem meant in that verse to be meaning the new Jerusalem that comes down from God out of heaven. Thus, if it involves the new Jerusalem it involves the NHNE as well. Can't have one without the other.
I can appreciate that. . .I can't let go of anything until everything is at least clear to me first, thus why I'm still asking questions.
We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.
Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.
I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?
Actually, all the feasts are figurative of the church age. . .being figurative ...Sabbath--commemorating God's full-time rest from work, prefiguring our entering into God's full-time Sabbath rest in the full-time salvation rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' completed work which saved us.
No not really, as different Feasts have different prophetic meanings. Jesus perfectly obeyed God's law (10 Commandments) and perfectly fulfilled the prophetic laws that pointed to him from all the laws for remission and sins (animal sacrifices and sin offerings) in the annual Feasts. These of course all pointed to Jesus as the coming Messiah and God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once for all, making Jesus our perfect sacrifice for sin (see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10 etc). However, "fulfilled" as in the case on Matthew 5:17-20 does not abolish. It is the prophetic "shadow laws" that are fulfilled and continued in Christ as our perfect sacrifice for sin and our great high priest who now ministers for us on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man. Jesus did not obey Gods' 10 commandments so that we do not have to. He obeyed them as our example that we are to walk in as we receive Gods' forgiveness and newness of life. Jesus would never have said in Matthew 5:20-28 unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees you shall in no wise enter into God's kingdom if God's 10 commandments were abolished and he starts off by saying do not think this in Matthew 5:17. This is why in the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 Jesus says, unless a man is born again we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. This is because those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4. This is God's new covenant promise in those who have been born again through faith to love as love fulfills God's law through the Spirit in those who believe and follow what God's Word says *see Romans 13:8-10; Romans 6:1-23; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4. According to the scriptures, faith does not abolish God's law like some people teach (lawlessness - without law). Faith establishes God's law in the lives of all those who believe what God's Word says *Romans 3:31.If the fall feasts are not yet fulfilled, would the law then not yet be fulfilled?
Interesting that Jesus spoke those words (John 4:35) just before going to Jerusalem for the fall festival. (John 5:1)And then, in the 7th month the harvest season of Israel prefigures the entire NT harvest of Christian salvation. Jesus said the fields are already ripe for the harvest. That isn't just endtime fulfillment, but includes the entire age.
But there is one other possibility for its fulfillment that I see. It's interesting to note that on the last day of the feast of tabernacles, Jesus said this:
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
So, if Jesus said this specifically on the last day of the feast of tabernacles for a certain reason then I think it's possible that Jesus was indicating that the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles would relate to people receiving the Holy Spirit and having Christ dwell them in a spiritual sense since our bodies are the temple/tabernacle of God (1 Cor 6:19).
You baffle me sometimes. Don't you believe that Zechariah 14:16-19 occurs after Christ's return during the thousand years? You always bring up Zechariah 14 to back up your Premil view. Now you're saying it relates to the NHNE, which is ushered in after the thousand years?
My reasoning for saying that Zechariah 14:16-19 can't be fulfilled after the return of Christ is if someone is interpreting it to be talking about literally observing the feast of tabernacles as it was observed in OT times, which involved the performing of animal sacrifices. But, it appears that you don't interpret Zechariah 14 that way? You interpret it in a figurative way? When did this happen? I don't recall that being the case when we've discussed it before.
We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.
Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.
I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?
Don’t pin your faith to the 364-day calendar books of ‘Enoch’ and ‘Jubilees.’ Like you, I’ve looked carefully at them and my conclusion is that they were written during the inter-testament period in an effort to get back to the original Sabbatical calendar. Their motive was good, but they never got it right.Another thing that must be understood in order to accurately align the 1290 and 1335 days in Daniel, the 1260 days in Revelation, etc. is to first know God's calendar.
I've never asked myself this question before but it coincides very well with an interpretation of Hebrews that has been on my mind for several months. Since I don't know the answer, I will just write write some random thoughts. The lunar month "Tishrei," for the sake of simplicity, I will call it "October," with the realization that they are not exactly parallel.However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70. I'm not sure how amil Christians view this.
You'll have to take it up with Hebrews, where there remains God's own full-time Sabbath rest for the people of God in the NT.Not really. How can the "seventh day" Sabbath of creation which is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments be figurative of anything? It was made as a memorial (Remember) pointing backwards to the finished work of creation and as God as the creator of Heaven and earth (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:16-17).
The Sabbaths within the feast days are not figurative of anything.Your mixing up the annual shadow sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days that are "shadow sabbaths" with God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is every seventh day of the week linked to creation as an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16-17.
Wrong. . .There was no Mosaic law, no prophetic shadow laws, no Feast days, no sin, no Moses, no Jew and no plan of salvation because mankind had not sinned.
God's eternal law is Jesus' two commands of Matthew 22:37-40. (Romans 13:8-10)Your mixing up the Mosaic "shadow laws" given after man sinned which were prophetic laws of things to come with God's eternal laws that will be continued in the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23).
Not according to the NT. . .you're in the wrong testament.God's 4th commandment is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin.
I've never asked myself this question before but it coincides very well with an interpretation of Hebrews that has been on my mind for several months. Since I don't know the answer, I will just write write some random thoughts. The lunar month "Tishrei," for the sake of simplicity, I will call it "October," with the realization that they are not exactly parallel.
1) The Fall Festivals are:
a) Feast of Trumpets / Rosh Hashanah. October 1st.
b) Day of Atonement / Yom Kippur. October 10th.
c) Feast of Tabernacles / Sukkot. begins on October 15th.
d) The 8th day of Assembly / Shemini Atzeret. October 22nd.
2) Our NT anchor is the Day of Atonement, which is a focal point in the Book of Hebrews. This is definitely fulfilled in Jesus' crucifixion. Note that in the cross, the Lord was cleansing the Heavenly Temple.
The scapegoat was not sacrificed, it was released into the wilderness (Leviticus 16:20-22).3) One interesting question remains about the Day of Atonement: significance of the scapegoat sacrifice,
All the sin sacrifices of Leviticus 4:1-5:13 were vicarious, the individual offerer laying his hand on the head of the animal identifying with it as the substitute for his sin (4:4).which is the only OT sacrifice that may be considered "vicarious."
4) The Feast of Trumpets begins a 10-day period known as the Yamim Nora’im (Days of Awe). Those 10 days are a time to reflect on sin and repent in preparation for the Day of Atonement. John the Baptist and later the Lord Jesus were heralds of the coming Kingdom of Heaven (Joh 4:35).
5) The Feast of Tabernacles could signify the bringing of the harvest. Jesus tabernacled among us and now people are being born from above through the work of Jesus and the Holy Spirit into the Kingdom of Heaven during the Millennium (Joh 7:37).
6) The ending of the Feast of Tabernacles is its Eighth Day. The number 8 signifies a new beginning. The Lord was resurrected on the 8th day, which is also the first day of the week. Does this signify the general Resurrection?
The feasts are figurative of the church age, a summary of the Fall Feasts following:It sounds like a book could be written about this.
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