Hammster if we receive the correct understanding it will never contradict what JESUS said.No it doesn't. But I'm sure you can elaborate on why you think so.
You'll have to actually elaborate here. Why do you think effectual grace means the Reformed deny the essence of faith in things unseen?Because of the concept of Irresistible Grace, which you yourself just claimed to ascribe to.
Really. Really?
The entire reformed view is that those who will follow the Lord have no choice in the matter.
Isn't believing in Christ a good thing?Can a man do good works then, if he is not a Christian who is born again? No. "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin" (Rom. 14:23).
This is not really the reformed view. But it is a common misconception of the reformed view!
My contention is that if any could be lost, than so too could any be saved.
I cited a parallel verse John 11:51-52.What scripture do you have to back this up?
The use of would and let both imply a decision on behalf of one to accept Christ by their own volition.
The sacrament of the Lord's supper signifies a concerted effort on part of Man and God together. Calvinism denies that man has any part in this relationship, as it states that God is wholly responsible for Man's Faith in it's entirety. Man has no part in co-creation, because God does it all, as far as saving Faith is concerned.
Isn't believing in Christ a good thing?
Why don't you explain it to me then.
However, if "any" corresponds to "you" in the same verse then "any" would mean "any one of God's people".
I cited a parallel verse John 11:51-52.
I don't deny this. And neither does Reformed theology.
This is partly what Reformed theology teaches and partly a misunderstanding. It's very common to misunderstand Reformed theology in this way.
I'm not. Can you please answer the question?
My question quotes the first part of 22. It's important for understanding what you want to know.You ignored posts #22 and #23. I'll happily continue to answer your questions if you actually reciprocate.
1 John 2:2
2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
According to Tree of Life, "any" can be substituted with "you". I warned that I would hold reservations over eisegesis in my OP.
Thanks for actually engaging in the discourse.
It actually contradicts the point in TULIP which speaks about Irresistible Grace.
If Grace is Irresistible than Faith is a matter of God's own doing and not of Man. It is not then Faith in things unseen, it is God witnessing to Himself. Please respond to this point if anything.
Okay...
Then Clarify!??
Those are in the Bible? I bet if the reformers had seen those, they would have had a different view.1 Timothy 2:3 Lexicon: This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1 Timothy 2:4 Lexicon: who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:5 Lexicon: For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:6 Lexicon: who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Peter 3:9 Lexicon: The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
1 John 2:2 Lexicon: and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Matthew 22:14 Lexicon: "For many are called, but few are chosen."
Matthew 10:38 Lexicon: "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Luke 9:23 Lexicon: And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Mark 8:34 Lexicon: And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
This is the truth in the Greek itself. God bless.
Those are in the Bible? I bet if the reformers had seen those, they would have had a different view.
No doubt. I bet those reformers knew nothing about that.The Hebrew and Greek show the true meanings behind the words of Scripture we read in English.
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