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Do you think that only homo sapiens are capable of having a relationship with God? That He'd be totally stymied if we became homo sapiens+?
Does your Gospel come with an expiration date? Mine doesn't.
So, was your gospel valid 10 million years ago? If not, why should it be valid 10 million years later?
It became valid once we were gifted a soul. It will remain so until that is taken away, if such a time ever comes.
You are just passing the problem to soul-giving. The problem is still there. Why wasn't the soul given 10 million years ago?
Very true, but it's the science that can be tested and verified to a high degree of accuracy in a laboratory that produces the scientific facts that enables mankind to do all manner of creative endeavours,Not all science can be tested in a laboratory, yet you don't object to most of it.
Not always. Some experiments are too big for a laboratory (large scale physics), some need a more natural setting (some studies in psych), and some can be done anywhere (such as computational science).Very true, but it's the science that can be tested and verified to a high degree of accuracy in a laboratory that produces the scientific facts that enables mankind to do all manner of creative endeavours,
Rephrase that one please.Show us the creative endeavours that result from a ToE that CANNOT be tested in a laboratory?
So, was your gospel valid 10 million years ago? If not, why should it be valid 10 million years later?
Is that what you're afraid of, juviessun? in ten million years, we'll somehow be "too smart" for God?
If we are comparing gospels, the one I follow was valid 10 Billion years ago, it's just as equally valid today and it will be equally valid 10 billion years from now. That gospel can only be found with in life itself as Created and signed off by God's own signature.So, was your gospel valid 10 million years ago? If not, why should it be valid 10 million years later?
Originally Posted by John 10:10
Very true, but it's the science that can be tested and verified to a high degree of accuracy in a laboratory that produces the scientific facts that enables mankind to do all manner of creative endeavours,Not always. Some experiments are too big for a laboratory (large scale physics), some need a more natural setting (some studies in psych), and some can be done anywhere (such as computational science).
Just because something is usually the case does not mean it is always the case or that it has to be the case.
Show us the creative endeavours that result from a ToE that CANNOT be tested in a laboratory?Rephrase that one please.
A laboratory can be big or small. But whether it's big or small, theories that become scientific facts are validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy. The ToE can never be validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy because of the billions of years time factor needed to validate this theory.
I disagree. Scientific theories can and do become "scientific facts" or "scientific laws" when they are validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy. Theories that can't be validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy remain just that - theories. Some of them, such as the ToE, have very bad consequences, both for time and for eternity.Just fyi... scientific theories never graduate into "scientific facts."
I disagree. Scientific theories can and do become "scientific facts" or "scientific laws" when they are validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy. Theories that can't be validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy remain just that - theories. Some of them, such as the ToE, have very bad consequences, both for time and for eternity.
I disagree. Scientific theories can and do become "scientific facts" or "scientific laws" when they are validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy. Theories that can't be validated to be true to a high degree of accuracy remain just that - theories. Some of them, such as the ToE, have very bad consequences, both for time and for eternity.
An interesting thing about scientific laws is that most of them are known to be wrong.A fact is an empirically observable and verifiable piece of data, such as 'things fall down'.
A Law is USUALLY an EQUATION, such as e=mc^2, or G*m1*m2/(r^2).
Was Copernican astronomy a true scientific study when it showed the earth orbited the sun? That is pretty hard to fit in a laboratory. It was centuries later before mankind even ventured into space to see for themselves that the laws of physics operated in space the scientists had work out that they would. That science overturned a millennium and a half of of literal interpretation of the geocentric passages in the bible.A laboratory can be big or small. But whether it's big or small, theories that become scientific facts are validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy. The ToE can never be validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy because of the billions of years time factor needed to validate this theory. For this reason, true scientific studies and their validation facts are primarily limited to time factors that can be measured in a laboratory, or within man's normal life span.
What I don't get is how you jump from being created 'after their kinds' to saying it can't have involved evolution. Creating all the creatures after their kind means creating the different sorts of animal there are. It does not matter how the species and genera were formed, Genesis just says that they were. In fact Genesis says that God commanded the earth to produce all the different kinds. Gen 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds. Do new kinds continue to evolve? That just means the earth is continuing to obey God's command to bring forth living creatures according to their kinds.I do not believe in a so-called science that tells man he evolved from lower life animals that started billions of years ago from a single cell creature, even if some want to attribute and call this process “theistic evolution.” God has revealed in His Word that all plants and animals were created “after their own kind” (Gen 1), which means they did not evolve from one species to another to another.
I've never actually tried to count, so "most" may or may not be right. But some that are wrong (by which I mean they are not exactly right -- they're still good approximations for many domains):I know they all aren't universally applicable, but I never got into the 'most' part.
Perhaps you could provide some examples to show the point? You can likely do so better than I.
A laboratory can be big or small. But whether it's big or small, theories that become scientific facts are validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy.
The ToE can never be validated as being true to a high degree of accuracy because of the billions of years time factor needed to validate this theory.
I do not believe in a so-called science that tells man he evolved from lower life animals that started billions of years ago from a single cell creature, even if some want to attribute and call this process theistic evolution.
God has revealed in His Word that all plants and animals were created after their own kind (Gen 1), which means they did not evolve from one species to another to another.
Depending on the environmental conditions that have existed on the earth since God created the earth some 4.5 billion years ago, the earth was not ready for God to create fully formed creatures until the Cambrian period some 500+ million years ago.
Science tells us that the last extinction period occurred some 75,000 years ago.
Science now tells us that the DNA structure of present day man can be traced back to a beginning which occurred less than 75,000 years ago.
This is the science that I know, believe in, and have used all of my life.
This is the true science that those who know their God have participated in since God created present day man less that 75,000 years ago. Those who want to believe in a unproven pseudo-science that says man has evolved over billions/millions of years may do so, but you so to your detriment, even if you want to attribute some of this to theistic evolution.
If some Christians want to believe in Gods creation that began just a few thousand years ago, at least they attribute everything to Gods creative power.
But if theistic evolution is true, it must line up with Gods Word, and it DOES NOT. When man compromises Gods Word, man not only compromises his ability to have a right relationship with God, man usually rejects Gods means to Gods redemption in the Lord Jesus Christ. Its as simple and as difficult as that.
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