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How do you practice kosher?

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Hello I am learning and starting to practice MJ and I am curious on how to follow kashrut food law? under Yeshuas commandments. Do you buy only kosher slaughtered meats? Or is it okay for us to buy kosher animal meat then kosher it ourselves? What does mosaic law say about this and it is reasonable to follow what something like the Talmud might say? as far as I understand Yeshua said not to do as the Pharisees did but stay in mosaic law. I would have to drive for hours to go to a kosher store and get kosher raised/slaughtered meat. I will go vegetarian if I have to.

as MJ are we to completely ignore the Talmud as commandments of man?

also do you do things like wear different types of cloth and cut the edges of your hair/beard? Does Yeshua want me to?

Matthew 15 8-9
8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”
 
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There is value in the Talmud, but this is commentary, the teachings and interpretations of men.

I don't eat kosher much further than what is written in the Torah. For example, the Torah gives us clues that animals shouldn't be in torture before being eaten. In this aspect I fully support kosher practices of humane slaughter.

On the other hand, it can be challenging to go to the grocery store; and buy processed foods; and be sure that there is no pork in them. Pork products are hidden in words in the ingredients, that might not be so easy to understand, such as the word "porcine." Buying kosher makes it easy; but I haven't seen kosher Doritos.
 
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I don't live dogmatically by it, but I do try and eat kosher as much as possible. I don't eat shellfish and try to only eat kosher animals. Generally I read the labels to prefer kosher packaged goods, but again, I do it as best as I can.

When I buy kosher meat it is generally bought online, there are a fair amount of kosher butchers online that are cost competitive with other quality online butchers that are not kosher. But to be honest, with the rising costs of everything, buying kosher meats all the time has become cost prohibitive, so I stick with kosher animals as a minimum.

As for the Talmud, it is a good commentary, but it is also not completely applicable to us as Messianic Jews.
 
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Hello I am learning and starting to practice MJ and I am curious on how to follow kashrut food law? under Yeshuas commandments. Do you buy only kosher slaughtered meats? Or is it okay for us to buy kosher animal meat then kosher it ourselves? What does mosaic law say about this and it is reasonable to follow what something like the Talmud might say? as far as I understand Yeshua said not to do as the Pharisees did but stay in mosaic law. I would have to drive for hours to go to a kosher store and get kosher raised/slaughtered meat. I will go vegetarian if I have to.

as MJ are we to completely ignore the Talmud as commandments of man?

also do you do things like wear different types of cloth and cut the edges of your hair/beard? Does Yeshua want me to?

Matthew 15 8-9
8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

Welcome! I hope you stay and continue to grow in your spirit! The dietary laws are found in Leviticus. If you only go by these, technically, it is kosher. However, there are some things to consider. As Hark mentioned, processed foods have hidden ingredients. Such as mono and diglycerides (pig fat), and other ingredients which had the name changed so people don't know what it is.

Animals also have to be slaughtered properly. In the vast majority of modern day animal processing, the animals are killed humanely and the blood is drained. If you buy a slab of meat, it is likely butchered in a Biblically appropriate manner. But processed meats, such as sausages, may not be kosher. Pork casings are sometimes used to line beef sausages, and cross contamination is a problem with machinery if it has not been washed.

Animals that were strangled, or died of natural causes, or torn by wild animals(treif), are not kosher.

Genetically modified organisms are not kosher because they are kilayim. This is a misunderstood word found in Leviticus 19:19. There are animals today such as a goat that produces spider web instead of milk; it's milk gene was replaced with a spider's web gene. This spider-goat is gmo or kilayim and is not kosher. Unfortunately, the Orthodox Union believes this is kosher!

There is a saying, pay the OU enough money and they will certify anything. So your best bet is to decide if a product is kosher based on your own research, and not listen to what the OU says. They are corrupt.

Organic items are not permitted to contain any gmos.

I personally believe mixing flesh and dairy is allowed. The prohibition against cheeseburgers is in the Talmud, not the Torah. If you choose not to eat cheeseburgers, that's up to you.

The Talmud is like a commentary. But it isn't infallible. I don't put it equal to the Bible.

Fun fact, the word "kosher" actually means "healthy" or "fit". Not everything labeled kosher is kosher.

I believe that men should have beards of some sort. The command is not to destroy or completely remove the beard or hair on the head. This has nothing to do with payotes. That is a Chassisdic Jew tradition.

I believe wearing mixed clothing is allowed. There is a command not to wear a mixture of flax and wool. This is shaatnez. As for why shaatnez is forbidden, the best theory is that is disrupts your body's energy somehow. There could be another reason. But I have read about flax speeding up the body's healing ability, nurses in hospitals talked about it when the hospitals switched to polyester sheets and bandages instead of flax.
 
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one last question. Do MJ believe Yeshua is referring to the Torah and NT commandments found in the bible when he says " if you love me keep my commandments" or do they follow them for some other reason?

I believe Yeshua's commandments are the same as Yahweh's commandments. Yeshua is not a new testament god to replace the old testament god.
 
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I believe Yeshua's commandments are the same as Yahweh's commandments. Yeshua is not a new testament god to replace the old testament god.
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Galatians 5:1-4
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Does this not mean we are trying to be justified by law? and according to paul because I was circumcised as a baby do I now have to keep the law? This is bothering me quite a bit
 
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Okay because I came across

Galatians 5:1-4
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Does this not mean we are trying to be justified by law? and according to paul because I was circumcised as a baby do I now have to keep the law? This is bothering me quite a bit

Justified by the law means trying to earn our way into Heaven by works alone. This isn't really a fair system because it would eliminate almost all converts from being saved.

Paul was trying to explain that salvation is not by keeping the law, yet we still keep the law.

Romans 3:31 sums it up.
 
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Paul was trying to explain that salvation is not by keeping the law, yet we still keep the law.

Romans 3:31 sums it up.

Torah isn't what saves people; Torah is what people being saved do.
 
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Hello I am learning and starting to practice MJ and I am curious on how to follow kashrut food law? under Yeshuas commandments. Do you buy only kosher slaughtered meats? Or is it okay for us to buy kosher animal meat then kosher it ourselves? What does mosaic law say about this and it is reasonable to follow what something like the Talmud might say? as far as I understand Yeshua said not to do as the Pharisees did but stay in mosaic law. I would have to drive for hours to go to a kosher store and get kosher raised/slaughtered meat. I will go vegetarian if I have to.

as MJ are we to completely ignore the Talmud as commandments of man?

also do you do things like wear different types of cloth and cut the edges of your hair/beard? Does Yeshua want me to?

Matthew 15 8-9
8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

I keep far more kosher than many here I noticed. I separate meat and dairy. I eat only kosher (glatt kosher) meat and soak and salt it before cooking. Although I treat poultry as meat my son does not. He agrees with the rabbi in the Talmud that stated poultry do not give milk so they can not be boiled in their mothers milk.

This is what I believe it means to read the rabbinical arguments as commentary. They are important and can teach us many things however we are also in grace and because of this we must loo at each law and each measure and test these against grace to see what remains.

That said, there is no loose of grace to accept more or less of these laws in grace. Yet I choose to keep a higher bar but expect no one else to do so unless similarly convicted.

That said in your own case, buy meat kosher if possible. Unkosher meat is not killed humanely. the animal does out live at least one year and does not necessarily chew the cud (can't get mad cow from chewing the cud).

Soak meat 30 minutes then salt all over and inside poultry (if including this) and let salt remain 30 minutes then rinse thoroughly. Cooks as usual after. Separating meat and dairy can be as simple as keeping the two apart, no beef in milk sauce for example. Glass can cross koshered but watch for scratches. Dish washers kosher cooking dishes. Meat pans and dairy pans will be needed. Silver separated. This can done a little at time increasing what doing as you gain skills.

Passover brings in a whole new set of measures specific to that holiday. Let me know if you want me to post something on this in future.
 
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