How do you keep the Sabbath?

Iosias · Mar 11, 2007

On the Sabbath I pray, study Scripture and join with my local congregation to worship God on the day he has appointed for that. It is a rest from secular physical work for spiritual work.

See: http://www.apuritansmind.com/TheLordsDay/TheLordsDay.htm

StevenL · Mar 11, 2007

If you decide you're going to keep the Jewish Sabbath, just be sure you don't pick up any sticks or anything like that....or we'll have to stone you to death. And you'd better be doing it on the 7th day or you're not "keeping the sabbath" (scripturally) at all.

Also...if you decide you have to keep this law, you'd better make very certain you keep all the rest of them in the Torah as well. Otherwise, you're a goner.

BustedFlat · Mar 11, 2007

whateveristrue said:
Going to church is what society chooses to do on the sabbath. It is NOT a requirement of God. You can worship God any day of the week...

The sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. No one was ever called by man to keep Sunday holy, nor was the sabbath changed. We have church services on Sunday morning, as that was when the grave was found empty.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Note Jesus probably rose on the sabbath as the women arrived at dawn to an empty grave.

Note : The week he died there were 2 sabbaths, the Thursday (Passover) after his crucification, and the Saturday before Holy Sunday.

whateveristrue said:
Must Christians keep the sabbath? No. Should they? Yes

Jesus himself told the cripple, after curring him, to take up his bed and walk.

Jhn 5:9And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. 10The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry [thy] bed. 11He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. 12Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? 13And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in [that] place.

He then went on to challange the Jews in the temple:

Jhn 5:17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

In Jesus

BustedFlat

JoeV · Mar 11, 2007

Thanks for those links guys

New_Wineskin · Mar 11, 2007

I have never understood how anyone could rest and that be called "work."

It obviously isn't actually rest .

2dly, there is no evidence that just because we are to rest in Christ one day of the week that we are supposed to keep all of the ceremonial sabbaths as well.

Nor evidence that "we" are supposed to rest in Christ one day of the week , either .

holo · Mar 11, 2007

djconklin said:
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I have never understood how anyone could rest and that be called "work."

2dly, there is no evidence that just because we are to rest in Christ one day of the week that we are supposed to keep all of the ceremonial sabbaths as well.

But where are gentiles commanded to live according to any part of the mosaic law?

djconklin · Mar 11, 2007

[quote]I have never understood how anyone could rest and that be called "work."

It obviously isn't actually rest .[/quote]
Trust me, when I rest, I rest! The Sabbath is a sign that we acknowledge that it is God who sanctifies us.

[quote]2dly, there is no evidence that just because we are to rest in Christ one day of the week that we are supposed to keep all of the ceremonial sabbaths as well.

Nor evidence that "we" are supposed to rest in Christ one day of the week , either .[/quote]

On the one hand, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. On the other hand, there is no text in the Bible that lays aside any one of the 10 Commandments. The early Christians were keeping the Sabbath as late as the 5th century. Even later in Ireland and Ethiopia.

djconklin · Mar 11, 2007

But where are gentiles commanded to live according to any part of the mosaic law?

Remember the conference at Jerusalem where the Gentiles were told to abstain from blood, etc.?

BTW, it really is a misnomer to call the Ten Commandments and even the ceremonial law "Mosaic." The former God wrote on tablets of stone and all Moses had to do was to carry it down the mountian (twice!). The latter God told him what to write.

New_Wineskin · Mar 11, 2007

Trust me, when I rest, I rest! The Sabbath is a sign that we acknowledge that it is God who sanctifies us.

No reason to trust you , as of yet .

The Sabbath isn't a sign for me at all . I don't know what group this "we" is . I don't need the Sabbaths to sanctify me , Jesus does that .

On the one hand, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. On the other hand, there is no text in the Bible that lays aside any one of the 10 Commandments. The early Christians were keeping the Sabbath as late as the 5th century. Even later in Ireland and Ethiopia.

There is no text in the "bible" that says that *I* am under any part of the Law - nor ever was . I am a Gentile .

And , I no of not a single christian that obeys the Sabbath . If they did , they would obey the law of the Sabbath that commands to put to death those that break the Sabbaths . No text does away with that , either .

New_Wineskin · Mar 11, 2007

holo said:
But where are gentiles commanded to live according to any part of the mosaic law?

Nowhere - only Law givers who want all to think that the Law brings righteousness .

ozmum · Mar 11, 2007

http://www.homechurchresources.com/HomeChurchResources_FAQ.htm

this answers the questions everyone is asking here

djconklin · Mar 11, 2007

[quote]
Trust me, when I rest, I rest! The Sabbath is a sign that we acknowledge that it is God who sanctifies us.

No reason to trust you , as of yet .[/quote]
It's a figure of speech.

The Sabbath isn't a sign for me at all . I don't know what group this "we" is . I don't need the Sabbaths to sanctify me , Jesus does that .

The Bible says: Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

The Sabbath itself doesn't sanctify you; I never said that it did. I said that it was a sign, just as the Bible says.

There is no text in the "bible" that says that *I* am under any part of the Law - nor ever was . I am a Gentile .

I am a Gentile too. Irish-German!

The Law of God points out what is sin. Since I wish to love and serve God with all my heart, mind and strength and to love my neighbor as myself I pay attention to God's Law so I can tell when I am sinning. Then I can take it to the Lord and ask for His forgiveness. Then by God's grace, as that great Apostle to the Gentiles Paul noted, I can be "transformed by the renewing" of my mind anbd eliminate sin within me--just as the song says" "be of sin the double cure, cleanse me from its quilt and power."

And , I no of not a single christian that obeys the Sabbath .

Sine we're all sinners in need of God's grace that can be wquite true. Not relevant, but true.

If they did , they would obey the law of the Sabbath that commands to put to death those that break the Sabbaths . No text does away with that , either .

They'd also have to stone the adulterer; do you do that? Or, do you recognize that that law only applied to Israel while it was a theocracy?

djconklin · Mar 11, 2007

only Law givers who want all to think that the Law brings righteousness .

No one thinks that the Law brings righteousness. The Law points out when you have failed to live righteously and are in need of a Savior. Some people don't want to be reminded and want to dop away with God's Law that Paul describes as "holy, just and good."

ozmum · Mar 11, 2007

Everybody lives under law .In this world we live under civil law all the time.
God's government has law too .
Reject that and you are lawless.

BustedFlat · Mar 11, 2007

I would direct you to Romans 8:
Rom 8:1¶[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his 10And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

In the Mishnah, the commentaries on the law of Moses, there are some twenty-three chapters devoted to the interpreting of the law of the Sabbath day. Makes you understand why we need Jesus.

Psalms34 · Mar 12, 2007

JoeV said:
Topic. How do you keep the Sabbath.

By recognizing Jesus fulfilled that law and thus entering into rest with him as if the sabbath were every day.

PentecostalEmperor · Mar 12, 2007

LittleladyinChrist said:
The reason I dont celebrate the Sabbath is because of this verse, but I do worship and rest in God on Sunday, but not because of the Sabbath.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I go to church 4 days a week, and try to worship God everyday in my walk with Him. I dont think God wants one day, He wants our whole lives. God Bless,

--Alicia

Paul is not saying "let no man judge you in your LAWLESSNESS" because it is just a mere tutor. He is saying "let no man judge you in your LAWFULLNESS" because it is a good tutor. In other words " let no man put you down"

djconklin · Mar 12, 2007

Originally Posted by LittleladyinChrist

The reason I dont celebrate the Sabbath is because of this verse, but I do worship and rest in God on Sunday, but not because of the Sabbath.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul isn't talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in those verses. Paul was talking about outsiders coming in (vs. listening to the church "the body of Christ") and judging the poeople of Collosae for eating and drinking (the acts are in view, not the what as some translations say) ON the days that are then mentioned. For more details, see: http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html

New_Wineskin · Mar 12, 2007

The Bible says: Ezekiel 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

The Sabbath itself doesn't sanctify you; I never said that it did. I said that it was a sign, just as the Bible says.

I don't need a sign .

The Law of God points out what is sin. Since I wish to love and serve God with all my heart, mind and strength and to love my neighbor as myself I pay attention to God's Law so I can tell when I am sinning. Then I can take it to the Lord and ask for His forgiveness. Then by God's grace, as that great Apostle to the Gentiles Paul noted, I can be "transformed by the renewing" of my mind anbd eliminate sin within me--just as the song says" "be of sin the double cure, cleanse me from its quilt and power."

Well , if you need to read not to murder and only do not murder because it is written , then I suppose that it does some good for those that you would murder if you didn't read those passages . Yet , many nonchristian Gentiles would never murder even though they never read the Scriptures .

Sine we're all sinners in need of God's grace that can be wquite true. Not relevant, but true.

Quite relevant when people promote them and yet don't follow through themselves . It shows that they don't believe it , themselves .

They'd also have to stone the adulterer; do you do that?

I am not the one pushing the Law . If I agreed with you to obey the Law , I certainly would . But , I would start with stoning those pushing the Sabbaths and their families . They would understand and have no problem with it .

Or, do you recognize that that law only applied to Israel while it was a theocracy?

The Lord came straight out that the Law was for Israel who was brought out of Egypt and their descendants . Paul confirms the fact that Gentiles do not have the Law . Not that Gentiles are forbidden to come under it if they wish . I don't wish . There is a better covenant for me . One that does not command that I put to death Sabbath breakers and adulterers . I wouldn't have time for anything else given how many adulterers and Sabbath breakers are in the christian circles that have the ten commandments as their banner .

djconklin · Mar 12, 2007

I don't need a sign .

God gave you one; are you trying to say that you know more than God?

if you need to read not to murder and only do not murder because it is written , then I suppose that it does some good for those that you would murder if you didn't read those passages .

I didn't say that I "needed" to read it. I explcitly stated (which apparently wasn't read) that I follow the moral principal on which the law was based: love for God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. Now, that you understand the example, we can poroceed to the 4th commandment: by keeping the Sabbth day holy as God asked you to do, you are showing that you love Him above all else. If you call yourself a Christian and chose to deliberately sin against God then we need to ask why are you doing that?

Quite relevant when people promote them and yet don't follow through themselves . It shows that they don't believe it , themselves .

That would be true if we were comparing things that were comparable. Some of God's laws only applied to the theocracy. You can't and must not judge others as quilty for not following those laws. Especially when you aren't even following the basic law.

I am not the one pushing the Law . If I agreed with you to obey the Law , I certainly would . But , I would start with stoning those pushing the Sabbaths and their families . They would understand and have no problem with it .

I am not "pushing" the Law. God made it, not me. I simply choose to obey God vs. the traditions and teachings of man.

The Lord came straight out that the Law was for Israel who was brought out of Egypt and their descendants .

This theory is flawed on several counts:

1) The Israelites knew about the Sabbath the month BEFORE the Law was given at Sinai.
2) Dr. William Mead Jones has confirmed that the Gentiles knew about the sabbath from the time of the Tower of babel when the languages were formed.
3) The Bible shows that the Gentiles knew about not committing adultery before the Jews ever heard of the Law.
4) The Bible shows that Cain knew that it was wrong for him to hate and kill his brother Abel.

History shows us that most of the early Christians were keeping the Sabbath as late as the 5th century. The idea that the Gentiles don't need to obey the Laws of God is a recent invention by sinful man. I prefer to go by the One who gave us His Book.

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