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How do you intepret this verse? (Col 1:24)

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geocajun

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Can someone help me to understand what Baptists interpret this verse to mean?

Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,


Thanks!

by the way, I am just gathering information here, not intened to start any sort of debate - so please do not be offended if I am not responsive.
Also if you can respond with some authoritative sources on Baptist theology that would be very helpful.
 

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I am happy to take on sufferings at your commission for the sake of increasing the body of Christ, which is the church, to continue what Christ started with his afflictions.

It means that Paul was okay with the sufferings that he was going through because he knew that he was doing it for the sake of increasing the Kingdom and because he was sent by the Colossian people with their commission to evangelize.
 
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You are probably looking at the word "lacking". Certainly my sufferings can never "make up" for some deficiency in the sacrifice of Christ. What this means is that Jesus had told Paul that he "must suffer many things for My name's sake". "Lacking" can read "left behind".

The church is seen in the Revelation as suffering greatly for Christ. That suffering is never to earn any part of salvation (and even those who teach so contradict their own theology).

The word "lacking" refers specifically to the church. Paul suffered gladly for the sake of the Body of Christ, the church. Paul was suffering on their account. There is absolutely no way Paul would ever teach that his suffering on their behalf had anything to do with their salvation!

When Jesus met Saul on the road to Damascus, He asked him, "Why persecutest though ME." It was the church that Paul was persecuting, so persecuting the church is to persecute Christ's Body. When we suffer, He suffers.
 
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geocajun said:
Thanks guys, are there any authoritative baptist teachings on this verse?
I don't think that there is any doctrine that is supported with this verse within the Baptist church. I am still wondering why God has put a light on this verse for you.
 
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GreenEyedLady said:
I don't think that there is any doctrine that is supported with this verse within the Baptist church. I am still wondering why God has put a light on this verse for you.
I was looking up verses related to fasting, and this came up. and I got to thinking about its meaning, and while I can see its place in Catholic theology, I did not want to speculate on what it meant to Baptists. Hence the question
 
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geocajun said:
I was looking up verses related to fasting, and this came up. and I got to thinking about its meaning, and while I can see its place in Catholic theology, I did not want to speculate on what it meant to Baptists. Hence the question
What does it mean to catholics?
 
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geocajun said:
Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,
it's part of a whole sentence. to get it in context you have to go back to verse 21 and complete it in verse 29
[Bible]Colossians 1:21-29[/Bible]

I think Paul was talking about his sufferings from jail. He's been beaten for his faith and for spreading the Gospel, but he is rejoicing because the Gospel is being spread. Paul is telling the Colossians to be steadfast in the faith, vs 23, that there will be trials, and suffering for Christ's sake. But the bigger picture is the spreading of the Gospel that every man would come to know Jesus Christ as Savior.
 
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Mesue, Thanks!
and I agree with the context statement, I was really just trying to emphasis where that versus above all others, because it indicates a "lacking in the afflictions of Christ".
I assumed anyone answering this question would read it in context before answering

Any other answers?
 
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And fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ - That which I lack of coming up to the sufferings which Christ endured in the cause of the church.

The apostle seems to mean:

  1. that be suffered in the same cause as that for which Christ suffered;
  2. that he endured the same kind of sufferings, to some extent, in reproaches, persecutions, and opposition from the world;
  3. that he had not yet suffered as much as Christ did in this cause, and, though be had suffered greatly, yet there was much that was lacking to make him equal in this respect to the Saviour; and,
  4. that he felt that it was an object to be earnestly desired to be made in all respects just like Christ, and that in his present circumstances he was fast filling up that which was lacking, so that he would have a more complete resemblance to him.
What he says here is based on the leading desire of his soul - the great principle of his life - to be just like Christ; alike in moral character, in suffering, and in destiny; see the notes at *Philippians 3:10. Having this strong wish, he had been led to pursue a course of life which conducted him through trials strongly resembling those which Christ himself endured; and, as fast as possible, he was filling up that in which he now fell short. He does not mean that there was anything lacking or deficient in the sufferings which Christ endured in making an atonement which was to be supplied by his followers, so that their merits might be added to his in order to secure the salvation of men, as the **Roman Catholics seem to suppose; but that there was still much lacking on his part before he should be entirely conformed to the Saviour in his sufferings, and that his present condition was such as rapidly to fill that up. This seems to me to be the fair meaning of this expressions though not the one commonly given. The usual interpretation is, “that which remains to me of affliction to be endured in the cause of Christ.” But this seems to me to be cold and tame, and not to suit the genius of Paul.

*Philippians 3:10 And the fellowship of his sufferings - That I may participate in the same kind of sufferings that he endured; that is, that I may in all things be identified with him. Paul wished to be just like his Saviour. He felt that it was an honor to live as he did; to evince the spirit that he did, and to suffer in the same manner. All that Christ did and suffered was glorious in his view, and he wished in all things to resemble him. He did not desire merely to share his honors and triumphs in heaven, but, regarding his whole work as glorious, he wished to be wholly conformed to that, and, as far as possible, to be just like Christ. Many are willing to reign with Christ, out they would not be willing to suffer with him; many would be willing to wear a crown of glory like him, but not the crown of thorns; many would be willing to put on the robes of splendor which will be worn in heaven, but not the scarlet robe of contempt and mockery.

They would desire to share the glories and triumphs of redemption, but not its poverty, contempt, and persecution. This was not the feeling of Paul. He wished in all things to be just like Christ, and hence he counted it an honor to be permitted to suffer as he did. So Peter says, “Rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings;” 1 Peter 4:13. So Paul says Col 1:24 that he rejoiced in his sufferings in behalf of his brethren, and desired “to fill up that which was behind, of the afflictions of Christ,” or that in which he had hitherto come short of the afflictions which Christ endured. The idea is, that it is an honor to suffer as Christ suffered; and that the true Christian will esteem it a privilege to be made just like him, not only in glory, but in trial. To do this, is one evidence of piety; and we may ask ourselves, therefore, whether these are the feelings of our hearts. Are we seeking merely the honors of heaven, or should we esteem it a privilege to be reproached and reviled as Christ was - to have our names cast out as his was - to be made the object of sport and derision as he was - and to be held up to the contempt of a world as he was? If so, it is an evidence that we love him; if not so, and we are merely seeking the crown of glory, we should doubt whether we have ever known anything of the nature of true religion.


**Subsituted Roman Catholics, for the term Barnes used. Thanks Geo for point this out to me.
 
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Llolard, I read your post right up until the part where he said "Romanists" and then I quit and dismissed everything he had to say.

I have asked you a question which I would appreciate being answered with the charity and integrity befitting a disciple of Christ. I did not come here to be called names.
So far everyone else has been very kind to this Catholic in their responses, and I appreciate that.
 
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Take out the word Romanist and put in the word Catholic. Then what do you think of what was written?

By the way, the word Mennonite is an epithet created by catholics to ridicule anabaptists, like me, so it isn't like catholics have never made fun or called names on other Christians. And I'm sure no one here knew that Romanists was an objectionable term, since I have heard even Catholics use it from time to time. There even used to be one Catholic guy around here who used that as his title under his name.
 
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lambslove said:
Take out the word Romanist and put in the word Catholic. Then what do you think of what was written?
i'll have to read it a bit later.. Lord help me, I tend to not want to read the writings of those who ridicule my faith.

By the way, the word Mennonite is an epithet created by catholics to ridicule anabaptists, like me, so it isn't like catholics have never made fun or called names on other Christians
wow, I had never heard this before. I see so many churches proclaim themselves to be "Mennonite". Can you tell me more about this?

And I'm sure no one here knew that Romanists was an objectionable term, since I have heard even Catholics use it from time to time. There even used to be one Catholic guy around here who used that as his title under his name.
alot of times Catholics will affectionatly call themselves "Papist or Romanist"
not to imply that its an endearing term, but rather to indicate we are all part of the same people, persecuted for our faith.
 
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