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How do you decide if something is factual?
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<blockquote data-quote="Kylie" data-source="post: 71767470" data-attributes="member: 343110"><p>I think that any description of the universe would have to cover the first two. It would have to match what we see in reality, and it would also have to be logically consistent. In other words, it wouldn't contradict reality, and it wouldn't contradict itself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was simply using evolution as an example. Feel free to propose a different example if you'd like.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but if many people all agree on the same thing, it is unlikely to be a false memory that often happens with eyewitness testimony. After all, the chances of a number of people all remembering something wrong in exactly the same way are very small, and the cahnces become smaller and smaller as the number of people gets larger.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really. It's actually quite easy to make some remember an event that never happened.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.verywell.com/what-is-a-false-memory-2795193" target="_blank">How Your Brain Can Create False Memories</a></p><p><a href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09658210701647258?journalCode=pmem20" target="_blank">http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09658210701647258?journalCode=pmem20</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Scientific observation requires a lot more than just seeing it happen. It involves recording it and making notes as the event occurs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But even these can be incorrect. The best eyewitness is a camera. It records everything in real time with no loss of detail. And even then it can be difficult to interpret, due to different focal lengths, different lighting conditions, different angles...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And apparently, God can't drive out the inhabitants of the valley if they have iron chariots. Beats me why God is rendered helpless by iron... (Judges 1:19)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What if he wishes to drive out people in iron chariots?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, you mean like how God has a body in Genesis 3:8, but John 4:24 and Luke 24:39 establish that God is a spirit that has no body?</p><p></p><p>Or how God promises not to curse the earth again in Genesis 8:21, but then he threatens to do exactly that in Malachi 4:6?</p><p></p><p>Or how God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33, but he is according to Genesis 11:7-9?</p><p></p><p>Or how God doesn't repent according to Numbers 23:19, but he repented of creating Humans according to Genesis 6:6?</p><p></p><p>Or how God is warlike according to Exodus 15:3, but a God of peace according to Romans 15:33 and Hebrews 13:20?</p><p></p><p>Or how God never gets tired (Isaiah 40:28), but then he is tired with all that repenting he doesn't do in Jeremiah 15:6?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kylie, post: 71767470, member: 343110"] I think that any description of the universe would have to cover the first two. It would have to match what we see in reality, and it would also have to be logically consistent. In other words, it wouldn't contradict reality, and it wouldn't contradict itself. I was simply using evolution as an example. Feel free to propose a different example if you'd like. Yes, but if many people all agree on the same thing, it is unlikely to be a false memory that often happens with eyewitness testimony. After all, the chances of a number of people all remembering something wrong in exactly the same way are very small, and the cahnces become smaller and smaller as the number of people gets larger. Not really. It's actually quite easy to make some remember an event that never happened. [URL="https://www.verywell.com/what-is-a-false-memory-2795193"]How Your Brain Can Create False Memories[/URL] [URL]http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09658210701647258?journalCode=pmem20[/URL] Scientific observation requires a lot more than just seeing it happen. It involves recording it and making notes as the event occurs. But even these can be incorrect. The best eyewitness is a camera. It records everything in real time with no loss of detail. And even then it can be difficult to interpret, due to different focal lengths, different lighting conditions, different angles... And apparently, God can't drive out the inhabitants of the valley if they have iron chariots. Beats me why God is rendered helpless by iron... (Judges 1:19) What if he wishes to drive out people in iron chariots? Ah, you mean like how God has a body in Genesis 3:8, but John 4:24 and Luke 24:39 establish that God is a spirit that has no body? Or how God promises not to curse the earth again in Genesis 8:21, but then he threatens to do exactly that in Malachi 4:6? Or how God is not the author of confusion according to 1 Corinthians 14:33, but he is according to Genesis 11:7-9? Or how God doesn't repent according to Numbers 23:19, but he repented of creating Humans according to Genesis 6:6? Or how God is warlike according to Exodus 15:3, but a God of peace according to Romans 15:33 and Hebrews 13:20? Or how God never gets tired (Isaiah 40:28), but then he is tired with all that repenting he doesn't do in Jeremiah 15:6? [/QUOTE]
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