How do you decide if something is factual?

Aman777 · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
You're honestly claiming that the only reason anybody could ever say that "life came from water" is because God told them so?

Anyway, I have soundly refuted you. The Bible does not say that all life came from water.

Sure it does:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Genesis also shows that we live in a Multiverse with other Universes. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4
Genesis also shows that Adam, the first Human, was made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 long BEFORE prehistoric man came forth from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Genesis also shows that Humans (His kind) and prehistoric people (Their kind) could produce children together. Gen 6:4
Genesis also shows that in only 10k years since the Ark arrived, the population of Humans (descendants of Adam) has gone from 8 to almost 8 Billion. Want more?

Aman777 · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
You are so doubtful that a complex information-processing system can develop self-awareness? It is rather remarkable, but certainly not impossible.

Are you old enough to know about sex? If so, then you know that only by INHERITANCE can you change the intelligence of the brains of Humans. Amen?

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

Aman777 said:
Are you old enough to know about sex? If so, then you know that only by INHERITANCE can you change the intelligence of the brains of Humans. Amen?

...the existence of sexual reproduction means that brains cannot develop over generations into more complex processing-organs? I do not see how this is the case. And petty insults do not help your argument.

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

Aman777 said:
Sure it does:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

You are ignoring the next verse.

Genesis also shows that we live in a Multiverse with other Universes. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4

No, it does not. That is a mangling of both the Bible and of science.

Genesis also shows that Adam, the first Human, was made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 long BEFORE prehistoric man came forth from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21

This does not correspond to our current understanding of the development of humanity.

Genesis also shows that Humans (His kind) and prehistoric people (Their kind) could produce children together. Gen 6:4

The pronouns do not indicate anything more than whether the corresponding noun is singular or plural.

Genesis also shows that in only 10k years since the Ark arrived, the population of Humans (descendants of Adam) has gone from 8 to almost 8 Billion. Want more?

How could it have shown that?

Bugeyedcreepy · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
Why do Christians so often call "intolerance of difference" love?

So they can claim to be persecuted and oppressed when they get called out for inflicting their "love" on others? In fact, I thought there was legislation being pushed to protect their right to do this in a couple of states, wasn't there? Religious Freedom, or some such?

AV1611VET · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
Why do Christians so often call "intolerance of difference" love?

I give up ... why?

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
I give up ... why?

I don't know. You're the inscrutable ones. But Bugeyed seems to have given a decent reason above.

AV1611VET · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
You're the inscrutable ones.

If we're 'inscrutable,' it's because [worldly] education sets up mental blocks that its followers can't get around.

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
If we're 'inscrutable,' it's because [worldly] education sets up mental blocks that its followers can't get around.

"If you don't understand what I say, that just means that I'm correct and all of my claims are correct." Really, AV. How interesting.

AV1611VET · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
"If you don't understand what I say, that just means that I'm correct and all of my claims are correct." Really, AV. How interesting.

Even if I do understand what you said ... you're wrong.

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Even if I do understand what you said ... you're wrong.

"I acknowledge your point, but I refuse to actually consider it." But I'm still wrong regardless of what I say, right? I'm not sure you understand how a discussion works.

Aman777 · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
...the existence of sexual reproduction means that brains cannot develop over generations into more complex processing-organs? I do not see how this is the case. And petty insults do not help your argument.

My point is simple. Prehistoric people were changed into Humans (descendants of Adam) when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with them. There is NO magical "evolution" in intelligence. You have inherited it or you don't have it. ONLY God, Adam and his descendants have this superior intelligence. Gen 3:22

IF you don't believe me, then tell me WHO Noah's grandsons married since there were NO other Humans to marry. Amen?

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

Aman777 said:
My point is simple. Prehistoric people were changed into Humans (descendants of Adam) when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with them. There is NO magical "evolution" in intelligence. You have inherited it or you don't have it. ONLY God, Adam and his descendants have this superior intelligence. Gen 3:22

Mutations don't exist? Interesting.

IF you don't believe me, then tell me WHO Noah's grandsons married since there were NO other Humans to marry. Amen?

I am not obligated to resolve the paradoxes in your holy book. May your knowledge increase without end.

Aman777 · Sep 25, 2017

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Aman:>>Sure it does:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Wak:>>You are ignoring the next verse.

I'll give you 3 strikes. You are ignoring the end of the verse I cited:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after THEIR kind, and every winged fowl after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

What's the difference between THEIR and HIS kinds? Failure to identify these different kinds means that you cannot understand Genesis.

Aman:>>Genesis also shows that we live in a Multiverse with other Universes. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4

Wak:>>No, it does not. That is a mangling of both the Bible and of science.

False accusation since there are many differences. Genesis 1:8 shows that God (Elohim-The Trinity) made the first firmament, which He immersed completely in WATER on the 2nd Day and called it "Heaven".

Genesis 2:4 shows that Lord God (YHWH-Jesus) made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10

IOW, God the Trinity made the first world on the 2nd Day and Jesus made at least two other worlds on the 3rd Day. That makes at least 3 Universes/heavens within our Multiverse as I posted. You don't seem to know the difference between Jesus and God the Trinity.

Aman:>>Genesis also shows that Adam, the first Human, was made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 long BEFORE prehistoric man came forth from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21

Wak:>>This does not correspond to our current understanding of the development of humanity.

Amen. That's because today's Science doesn't know the difference between His and Their kinds. Their ignorance is "willing" since they REJECT God's Truth in favor of their False assumptions which are incomplete, untrue and dreamed up fantasies. God Bless you

Aman777 · Sep 25, 2017

Wakalix said:
Mutations don't exist? Interesting.

Sure they do BUT evolution knows NO direction since it is totally random. according to your own your own beliefs. In order to change Apes into Humans, many millions of positive mutations would have to line up together, in order to produce the highest intelligence level in the Cosmos. I don't believe you nor the False ToE. The ToE is the biggest Satanic Lie ever forced upon our children in Public Schools. Amen?

Wakalix · Sep 25, 2017

Aman777 said:
Sure they do BUT evolution knows NO direction since it is totally random.

Natural. Selection. Have you never heard of the term? Random mutations are then selected - those that increase the probability of the organism passing down the mutation spread throughout the population, and those that decrease it die out quickly. This passes information from the environment to the genetic code. It is not pure chance. No evolutionary scientist has ever claimed that pure chance alone created all the life that we see today.

according to your own your own beliefs.

"You think it! You really do think it!!" No, I don' - "YOU THINK IT."

In order to change Apes into Humans, many millions of positive mutations would have to line up together, in order to produce the highest intelligence level in the Cosmos.

First of all, natural selection means that you wouldn't need those mutations to line up by pure chance. Second:There are many possible genomes that code for intelligent life -

I don't believe you nor the False ToE. The ToE is the biggest Satanic Lie ever forced upon our children in Public Schools. Amen?

Argument from My Opponent Is Evil - highly illogical. May your knowledge increase without end.

Kylie · Sep 26, 2017

AV1611VET said:
No ... it's love.

No, it is not loving in any way to say, "I wish for your own desires to become the same as mine, because mine are right and yours are wrong."

Kylie · Sep 26, 2017

Aman777 said:
I don't have to go searching since my memory is as clear as my posts:

Okay, let's see what you've got...

1. I showed you empirical (testable) evidence that only God could have told us 3k years ago that all life came from WATER. Today's science agrees, but you disagree with this knowledge written in Genesis 1:21.

Okay, the Bible does say that SOME life came from water (it makes it clear that some animals, such as cattle, came from the ground - see Genesis 1:24), but nowhere did you show how this knowledge could only have come from God.

Indeed, several times have I said to you that people in the desert several thousand years ago would have been able to easily see how important water was for life. It is perfectly plausible that they would have reached the conclusion that water is the source of life.

2. All you have is a complaint that I don't post according to your rules. Live with it.

Where did I complain that? Where did I lay down rules that I said you had to post according to?

3. I will wait for your refute that some ancient superstitious man who lived 3k years ago wrote Gen 1:21. Until you do, my clear posts stand, which show that ONLY God knew and correctly wrote the scientific Truth announced last year by a consensus of godless scientists. Amen?

See above, my response to your point 1.

Of course, I suspect that you will just dismiss it without giving a good reason why my counterpoint is wrong, or you will ignore it as you have done several times already.

Oh, I have also demonstrated that your claim that scientists only discovered that life came from water last year is totally wrong. Remember when I mentioned how Charles Darwin wrote of life coming from a warm little pond? Did he do that last year? I don't think so.

AV1611VET · Sep 26, 2017

Kylie said:
It is perfectly plausible that they would have reached the conclusion that water is the source of life.

If they were that naïve, wouldn't they change their mind if they saw someone drown?

Kylie · Sep 26, 2017

Aman777 said:
Amen BUT you have yet to tell us How or When mindless Nature magically evolved Human Intelligence, which is like God's Gen 3:22 and put it inside Apes. Your incomplete untrue false ToE is completely wrong, but you can't accept that. Amen?

First of all, the theory of evolution describes how things change over time. It does not say where life came from. If you are going to talk about something, make sure you know what it actually is.

Secondly, you can't conclude scientific knowledge is wrong just because it is incomplete.

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