Well, Jesus was born under the law.Again, those who are under the the law are those who transgress the law.
Well, I'll give two answers. I believe both are true. You can respond to one, both, or neither
I know in the same way that I can clearly see God's divine qualities in creation. An atheist might ask, But how do you know it's God? I can't put it into words, but I know. I assume you can see those same divine qualities. How would you answer the atheist? I think it's probably the same situation.
Or, I know in the same way that Abraham knew it was God who said,
Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you. NIV
Abraham could have said, That sure doesn't sound like God. Must be a deceiving spirit.
I'll take your word for it on the Hebrew. And the Greek word for faith?
I think that you are misunderstanding Paul. Who in Galatia wanted to be under the law?And there were certain people in Galatia who wanted to be under the law. Were they insane? Who would want to transgress the law, or be under its curse? I don't think that's what Under the law means.
Well, hang on there... I asked about your view. Since we're giving straight answers, I doubt that you have to know what my view is in order to say what your view is.
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I'm going to say that salvation can't be lost by members of the Body of Christ during this current dispensation, though I don't have a strong opinion about it.
As far as 1 John 4 goes, we look to see if the spirit puts forward the idea that Jesus the Messiah has come in the flesh.John tells us to test the spirits.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
How do you test the spirits?
Both, but I think Greek would have preeminence, because it's the language that God chose to reveal his truths to the church:YHWH used the Hebrew word enumah, in a concrete language, to deliver his message. That word was then translated into the abstract language of Greek. By studying which language do you believe that we can get a better understanding of what YHWH actually meant?
Well, let's see,I think that you are misunderstanding Paul. Who in Galatia wanted to be under the law?
Are you suggesting that Paul was under the law?
(CLV) Php 3:6
in relation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in relation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.
Are you suggesting that Paul taught his disciples to be under the law?
(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.
Okay... Following that train of thought, then, the olive tree, including the root, would be the true Israel.Once you believed that, then you know that Paul cannot be referring to us in the Body of Christ in Romans 11:18.
Instead, he is referring to gentiles who were under the gospel of the kingdom/circumcision.
Even in the OT, there were unbelieving Jews as well as believing gentiles.
Only Jews and gentiles who believe and willing to follow the covenant of Law are considered part of the olive tree, which is a representation of true Israel.
They, need to endure to the end to be considered saved, they can be cut off if, for example, they take the mark of the beast (Romans 11:22)
As far as 1 John 4 goes, we look to see if the spirit puts forward the idea that Jesus the Messiah has come in the flesh.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. NIV
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is just another spirit to be tested?
Both, but I think Greek would have preeminence, because it's the language that God chose to reveal his truths to the church:
Are you suggesting that Paul was under the law?
Are you suggesting that Paul taught his disciples to be under the law?
I believe that was my point, if I'm following you right. The test in 1 John 4 was about testing lots of spirits. John starts by connecting this with false prophets.You have presented a loaded question.
(CLV) 1Jn 4:2
In this you know the spirit of God: every spirit which is avowing Jesus Christ, having come in flesh, is of God,
How do you draw a distinction between every Ruach of Elohim and the Ruach Ha'Kodesh, and every other deceiving "spirit?"
Yes, I understand that Israel at Sinai was referred to as the assembly, which I agree is connected to the church/assembly.YHWH spoke to the "church" at Siniai.
(CLV) Ac 7:35
"This Moses, whom they disown, saying, `Who constitutes you a chief and a justice over us?' this one has God commissioned to be a chief as well as a redeemer, a justice, with the hand of the messenger who was seen by him in the thorn bush.
(CLV) Ac 7:36
This man led them out, doing miracles and signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
(CLV) Ac 7:37
This is the Moses who says to the sons of Israel: A Prophet will God be raising up to you from among your brethren, as me.
(CLV) Ac 7:38
This is he who came to be in the ecclesia in the wilderness with the messenger, who speaks to him in mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who receives the living oracles to give to you,
(CLV) Ac 7:39
to whom our fathers are not willing to become obedient, but they thrust him away, and turned to Egypt in their hearts,
He spoke to "the church" in Hebrew. Yahshua also spoke Hebrew. He read from the scriptures in Hebrew. Surely Yahshua knew what YHWH meant.
Yes, and he also persecuted the church. That's in the past.Paul stated that he was obedient to the law, blameless.
(CLV) Php 3:6
in relation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in relation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.
I'm assuming you mean "curses". And that's true.If we obey the Torah; we are not under the cures of the Torah.
Right, but of course that doesn't mean we do everything that Jesus did, things like be a carpenter's apprentice and live in a Roman colony.Paul taught his disciples to imitate him as he imitated Messiah.
(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.
Are you suggesting that Messiah didn't obey our Father's perfect Torah?
So in the context, I think it's talking about what to do when someone comes along claiming to have a message or teaching from God. How you can recognize that they have the Spirit of God is if they endorse the idea that Jesus the Messiah has come in the flesh.
Obviously, that test was for a particular time and place, because there are many groups today that say the Messiah has come in the flesh but I doubt have the spirit of God, such as Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses.
I thought earlier you were asking about how I perceive that I am led by the Holy Spirit. Did I misunderstand? Were you asking about people who bring false teachings?
I'm assuming you mean "curses". And that's true.
However, Jesus was born under the law. I don't think Jesus was born under the curses of the law.
No, I was saying the opposite. That's obviously not how it works.So is that the only qualification? Are you asserting that anyone who teaches false teachings, with the preamble that Yahshua, Ha'Mashiach has come in the flesh, should be accepted.
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