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How do non-Catholics explain Eucharistic miracles, such as bleeding, and Marian...

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Root of Jesse

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Then you must love the Catholic Church because we have a direct line of communication with Christ available to us every day...
 
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NO. The Lord comes first and last, no one before or after him. Mary holds no place in my worship of the triune God.
Same here. God first, Mary reflects us back to God.
 
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Same here prodromos.
Have you been catholic?
I was for years.
If you were, and you feel the way stated, I'd say you were poorly catechised. This is not what the Church does, or teaches.
 
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Sorta like the star appearing in the sky over Bethlehem and nobody noticing, except a few foreigners?
 
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Has anyone declared that the Secrets of Fatima have been completed and finished?
 
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Amen! Well said.
 
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Christ says otherwise, as does the book of Revelation.

Parables and symbolism, something your church has yet to recognize properly. You're so keen on what Christ plainly said, tell me why is it that you don't recognize His words when He said: "Give place, for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth"?

And notice how the souls under the altar are told to rest. Please don't tell me you think that all the souls in heaven are literally under the altar taking a break?
 
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The bleeding Eucharist is Christ's temporary revelation that what we state, that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ, is true.

BTW, we also have Saints that report that they see the Christ child walking on the altar at the time of the Consecration.
 
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Sorta like the star appearing in the sky over Bethlehem and nobody noticing, except a few foreigners?

They noticed because they were looking for it. Anyone else could have done the same. That's what happens when you study the scripture.
 
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If it's credibility you want, you should look at the process the Church uses to determine said credibility. In fact, she often times, at first, denies the veracity. Has been true in all cases. In fact, Medugorje has still not been accepted, and may not be.
 
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It probably would be better to stick with the topic than to chase after this diversion.
As if the Bible event isn't a miracle?
 
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Then you must love the Catholic Church because we have a direct line of communication with Christ available to us every day...

I'm sorry, I didn't know that prayer was the sole property of the Catholic church. When did that happen?
 
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The painting has been repainted many times by different artists and bears little resemblance to the crude original that has long since disappeared. But it did apparently serve its purpose by bringing in the contributions!
Bovine excrement. The tilma image is not painted. Has been copied, but not to the detail of the original.
 
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I'm going to have to look those up

Why only to Catholics? We're the only ones who revere Mary and the Eucharist the way it's supposed to be.

So your reverence to Mary is why you're privileged to see these manifestations?
 
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1st) This is my body...this is my blood...are to be understood symbolically. Why? Because it's cannibalism any other way, and that as we know, is a sin.
It ain't cannibalism if we're eating the body of God.
I've shown you the difference between tradition and Tradition, and you obstinately refuse to realize it.

I think the Lamb slain but standing is a miracle. So are stigmata. The few times stigmatists have been evidenced, it's typically seen that they were that close to Christ Himself.
 
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It ain't cannibalism if we're eating the body of God.

If you're eating flesh and blood it's cannibalism.

I've shown you the difference between tradition and Tradition, and you obstinately refuse to realize it.

I'm not refusing to realize it. I just don't make the distinction when I type. I was hoping by context you could tell what I was referring to. Either way it doesn't take away from what I said. The Jews had their holy Tradition much the same as your church does now. That Tradition was held above the word of God and lead to them missing out on His first coming. Many will miss out on the second one as well for the same reason.

I think the Lamb slain but standing is a miracle. So are stigmata. The few times stigmatists have been evidenced, it's typically seen that they were that close to Christ Himself.

Every miracle I read from Christ brought healing and relief to suffering. Stigmata, from what I understand, is ridiculously painful. To think that God would put something like that upon one of His children as a "sign" or "miracle" is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Have not seen anyone do what you say here. But there are instances when bread became actual flesh and blood. Most often, not.
 
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If you were, and you feel the way stated, I'd say you were poorly catechised. This is not what the Church does, or teaches.

Except that I was taken to classes
weekly for many years.
All those years and never given
a bible or encouraged to read one
NO Bible reading by any of us in
the classes all of those years.
Cmon!

Not even a Bible in the church
classrooms..
It's common knowledge Jesse,
that the RCC did not encourage
Bible study, Here's an article
from a RCC Site:

Why Don't Catholics Read the Bible
[FONT=Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif]Its true that many Evangelicals know their Bible upside down and backwards, and compared to them Catholics sometimes seem ignorant of the Bible. But that’s only an appearance.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif]The truth is simply that Catholics and Evangelicals use the Bible in different ways and therefore have different kinds of Bible knowledge. Evangelicals use the Bible as a source book for doctrine and right moral teaching, and that’s good. 2 Timothy 3.16 says the Scriptures are ‘useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.’ Evangelicals also use the Bible for personal devotions and inspiration. This too is Biblical. Psalm 119.27 says, ‘Let me understand the teaching of your precepts; then will I meditate on your wonders.’[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif]Ordinary Catholics might not be so adept at quoting chapter and verse, but they do know and use Scripture regularly. Its just that they use it in a different way. For a Catholic, Scripture is not so much a book to be studied as a book to worship with. (Ps. 119.7) For Catholics the Bible is almost always used in the context of worship. Did you know that a survey was done to check the amount of Scripture used in the Catholic Mass? The Catholic service was almost 30% Scripture. When the same writer checked his local Bible-based Evangelical church he was surprised to find the total amount of Scripture read took just 3% of the service.[/FONT]

And that was my experience.
No Bible study
 
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