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How do non-Catholics explain Eucharistic miracles, such as bleeding, and Marian...

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and no scientific proof or evidence of it either.

Yep; just like there's no scientific proof of the parting of the red sea, the sun standing still at Joshua's command, and the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Are all miracles worthless without scientific approval?

I pray God that it is not so for any who are reading this thread because it cannot be so for any who read and believe the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Yep; just like there's no scientific proof of the parting of the red sea, the sun standing still at Joshua's command, and the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Again the attempt to pass off alleged miracles as true by suggesting that they are the equal of events that are known to be true because they are recorded in God's holy word. It still doesn't work.

Are all miracles worthless without scientific approval?
First, let's find out if they are miracles.
 
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It's in the same place that proof of biblical miracles resides.


So, are we now just supposed to believe in these supposedly Roman Catholic miracles without a shred of evidence?

The Scriptures testify of Christ's miracles. Who testifies of the RCC miracles?
 
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Um, this thread is not about Biblical miracles. There are no questions about those. This thread is about the supposed miracles that the RCC claims that there is scientific evidence of. However, I have yet to see any actual scientific evidence offered on this thread for any of them.

So, are we now just supposed to believe in these supposedly Roman Catholic miracles without a shred of evidence?

The Scriptures testify of Christ's miracles. Who testifies of the RCC miracles?
Exactly. The OP asks
How do non-Catholics explain Eucharistic miracles, such as bleeding, and Marian...
...apparitions, such as Fatima. Eucharistic bleeding miracles, that are confirmed with science?
yet then he offers no scientific confirmation of any of these miracles - just states that he has heard of them and says to go google it ourselves.
If one is going to start a thread about scientifically proven "miracles" then one should be able to provide some of that "scientific proof."
 
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<snipped the complaint ...>

First, let's find out if they are miracles.

That's just question begging.

How do you know any of the biblical miracles are miracles?
  • Would it be because they are written in the bible? No? Lots of things are written in the bible that are not miracles.
  • Would it be because one does not normally see an axe head float on water, or the sun stand still, or a sea part, or a man rise from the grave after a few days? I reckon so.
So, how do you "find out if they are miracles"? Would it be by noting that one does not normally see things like what happened at Fatima? I reckon so.

One of the three children sees a beautiful lady clothed in white and light and she speaks to to the child, reveals her mission, tells of the need to repent and pray for the sake of the world, and when asked "how will the people know that this is so?" The lady tells of a miracle that God will perform on a specific day. The miracle happens on the specified day, tens of thousands see it. After the event, many wrote testimonies of the things they saw. Newspapers carry the story. The Church sends representatives to test the claims, they investigate very carefully, they test the people who - subsequent to the public miracle witnessed by thousands - were healed examining the medical records checking the circumstances of the various instantaneous healings and after a number of years of careful investigation they conclude that the miracles did happen.

Fatima: The Miracle of the Sun, 13-Oct, 1917 - YouTube
 
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Out of curiosity, has anyone here done research to try and figure out what exactly the apparitions of Mary are?

I ask from the standpoint that I see ample evidence that the manifestations themselves are real, just that I'm still on the fence (as I noted on page 14) as to the true and full identity of the apparition.
 
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I spent some time doing exactly what you asked here. I could find no scientific evidence that proves any of these "flesh" claims. I also found a number of Roman Catholic sites in which claims were made, but again, just claims.

However, I encourage you to continue the search yourself if you think there is any scientific proof of this phenomenon (as opposed to a claim that there is scientific proof).
 
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Yep. I googled it too. Found nada.
To the OP, you really should look into it yourself.
Don't believe "claims", find actual scientific proof.
If you find some, please post it.
I would be interested in seeing it.
 
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Perhaps I've gotten biased information. Admittedly, most of the time I read about a Eucharistic miracle being spoken about within Catholic circles and scientific proof that the "red stuff" on the Host is blood. Once I was linked to a Wikipedia page regarding a several hundred year old Eucharistic miracle. The wine was actually solidified and tested positive for blood or heart tissue, or something. I forget the name, so don't jump me!

Christianmomof3: When will you stop continually making the false allegation that I said anything about scientific evidence for any apparition?
 
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Has someone jumped you? We just don't have anything but allegations.
 
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Sir, it is the faithful members of your own Church here at CF who are seriously misrepresenting the teaching of the Catholic Church in vigorously asserting that the bread becomes actual, physical flesh in the mass and the wine becomes actual, physical blood. I suggest that you correct their error first before attempting to yank the plank out of my eye.
 
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There are plenty of people who have said they have seen aliens too.
And bigfoot.
You still have not offered scientific proof.

If, as many Catholic posters on this thread have asserted, the wafer in the Catholic mass becomes physical flesh and the wine becomes physical blood, all one needs to do is attend a mass and take a bit of each from the mass and have them tested for human DNA. It could hardly be more simple and it would put the question to rest.

Of course, however, the Catholic Church has backed away from that assertion and now, as MoreCoffee has explained, teaches that the bread actually does remain physically bread and the wine does remain physically wine, even though it is really and truly the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. Go figure.
 
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I am not sure what you are calling a false allegation. Your OP is quoted below. It specifically asks about apparitions that are confirmed with science.
 
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Love those yes or no questions. Have you stopped beating puppies?
 
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