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You keep asking this question, as if, I said this or suggested this. I am saying that the regenerating of the Holy Spirit does not justify us. Faith in Christ Alone justifies us, understand? Justification & Sanctification are distinct but not separate. If you conflate or confuse this, you distort and pervert the Gospel. You say you agree, but are quick to gloss over this and go to sanctification.Is a person who is spiritually dead justified? YES or NO.
But earlier you did disagree with the imputed righteousness of Christ. You said that the obedience of the believer secures or maintains this justification. May I ask, why do you now, agree?I do not deny that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to us. God says to the ungodly person who believes in Him, "You are righteous."
From there what must happen is that I begin to have a new identity in Christ, that cannot be changed even if I blow it and sin in the old fashion that I used to sin in. I am the righteousness of God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Therefore because my identity is that I am righteous in Him, the next step is for me to live like it. Thus justification and sanctification are inexplicably intertwined.
If I say, I am righteous in Him, but I am not a doer of righteousness, I am a liar (1 John 3:7, 1 John 2:3-4). The fact of my new identity in Christ means that I will live like my identity; in a righteous fashion.
Beware lest you be a hearer of the word only and not a doer (James 1:21-22). You would be deceiving yourself.
You keep asking this question, as if, I said this or suggested this. I am saying that the regenerating of the Holy Spirit does not justify us. Faith in Christ Alone justifies us, understand? Justification & Sanctification are distinct but not separate. If you conflate or confuse this, you distort and pervert the Gospel. You say you agree, but are quick to gloss over this and go to sanctification.
But earlier you did disagree with the imputed righteousness of Christ. You said that the obedience of the believer secures or maintains this justification. May I ask, why do you now, agree?
No problem, we are sharing. I hope you will forgive me if I sound perplexing.I hope you will forgive me if I seem to be contradicting myself anywhere. I am learning as I go.
I think I need to clarify that biblically, repentance is a prerequisite to salvation. It is the 180-degree turn away from sin, and without it, walking according to the Spirit would be against my will.
No, it isn't perplexing at all.No problem, we are sharing. I hope you will forgive me if I sound perplexing.
Looking at salvation by grace through faith, it ought to be clear that being saved by grace will have an effect on your behaviour, if you understand the context of Ephesians 2:8-9 (specifically, Ephesians 2:2-3).If you are locating your Salvation by your response of repentance in the Gospel, rather than locating your Salvation in the Gospel itself; who Jesus is and what He has done! Then you have a Salvation by works, and not a Salvation by Grace! I hope you are hearing me in what I am telling you.
No one will walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh unless they repent. God is not going to force me to walk according to the Spirit against my will. I must make a conscious decision to turn from the works of the flesh unto Christ and His righteousness which He will produce in me through the indwelling of His Spirit.
A man cannot be born again apart from surrendering his life to the Lord; and a man will not continue to live spiritually, once born again, unless he continues to mortify the deeds of the body through the Spirit, and does not live according to his flesh...being born again means a changed heart...and life! There is a practical righteousness produced in the person who is saved...and God will not produce this against a man's will...he must repent of his sins in order to receive this righteousness.
My premise being that according to Romans 8:12-13 a man's spiritual life and death depends on whether he walks according to the flesh or whether he walks according to the Spirit. And the question of, can a man be justified who is spiritually dead? Because if he can not be, then walking according to the flesh will have an effect on whether I am justified or not. Because if I live according to the flesh, I will become spiritually dead, and therefore if I cannot be justified as one who is spiritually dead, then walking in the flesh will mean that I am not justified before the Lord, if I become spiritually dead because of walking in the flesh; because I cannot be justified as one who is spiritually dead.
A course, God made us alive in Christ, who is OUR wisdom, OUR Justification, OUR Sanctification, OUR Redemption 1 Cor. 1:30Looking at salvation by grace through faith, it ought to be clear that being saved by grace will have an effect on your behaviour, if you understand the context of Ephesians 2:8-9 (specifically, Ephesians 2:2-3).
I never said otherwise. Do you think that you are trying to convert me to faith in Christ?No one will walk according to the Spirit rather then the flesh unless they BELIEVE!
Amen. He is my righteousness; which is also not impractical (1 John 3:7).A course, God made us alive in Christ, who is OUR wisdom, OUR Justification, OUR Sanctification, OUR Redemption 1 Cor. 1:30
31so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
No one will walk according to the Spirit rather then the flesh unless they BELIEVE!
No one will walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh unless they repent. God is not going to force me to walk according to the Spirit against my will. I must make a conscious decision to turn from the works of the flesh unto Christ and His righteousness which He will produce in me through the indwelling of His Spirit.
A man cannot be born again apart from surrendering his life to the Lord; and a man will not continue to live spiritually, once born again, unless he continues to mortify the deeds of the body through the Spirit, and does not live according to his flesh...being born again means a changed heart...and life! There is a practical righteousness produced in the person who is saved...and God will not produce this against a man's will...he must repent of his sins in order to receive this righteousness.
My premise being that according to Romans 8:12-13 a man's spiritual life or death depends on whether he walks according to the flesh or whether he walks according to the Spirit. And the question of, can a man be justified who is spiritually dead? Because if he can not be, then walking according to the flesh will have an effect on whether I am justified or not. Because if I live according to the flesh, I will become spiritually dead, and therefore if I cannot be justified as one who is spiritually dead, then walking in the flesh will mean that I am not justified before the Lord, if I become spiritually dead because of walking in the flesh; because I cannot be justified as one who is spiritually dead.
No Sir, I am only sharing. If I am being condescending please let me know, and I apologize in advance.I never said otherwise. Do you think that you are trying to convert me to faith in Christ?
Because I believe in Him wholeheartedly. He is my salvation to the full. His shed blood cleanses me from all sin; and His indwelling Spirit is the reason I am righteous in the practical sense...while I am justified solely by His shed blood.
We must repent and turn to Christ in order to be saved. Without repentance no one will ever begin to walk according to the Spirit, for they are walking in the opposite direction. Can a man be justified who is walking in the direction of sin?No Sir, I am only sharing. If I am being condescending please let me know, and I apologize in advance.
All I am saying is our works as believers are necessary, because we are alive in Christ and dead to sin. As Paul says in Romans 6. But these works as believers are not the cause of OUR Salvation, they are the effects of it, understand? Our Faith and Repentance is not the cause of OUR Salvation! Its the object of our Faith that saves us; namely Jesus Christ! Our Faith does not MAKE a bad doctor, a Great doctor! The only thing that saves sinners, is Christ Alone!
We do not make the Cross effective by OUR activity!
Do you believe in progressive Sanctification?
Hope this helps???
God Bless!
Ephesians 2:2-3 (the context of Ephesians 2:8-9):
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. Among whom we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as others.
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