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How do creationists answer these questions: Are you an Ape? A Mammal? A Vertebrate?
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<blockquote data-quote="Naraoia" data-source="post: 62648381" data-attributes="member: 202689"><p>This is all so confusing...</p><p> </p><p> I think the entire issue is about semantics. Like you said, "ape", "animal" etc. obviously mean different things to different people. To me they aren't loaded terms, they simply describe aspects of our biology*. They are separate from the question of humans being special (or not). But if I call a creationist - or, to be fair, a large number of non-creationists too - an animal, they'll perceive it as an insult because the word carries other connotations in their eyes.</p><p></p><p>AV is a prime example - he acknowledges the scientific classification and if we ask whether humans possess whatever biological property of animals, vertebrates, apes or whatever, I'm sure he'll agree that we do. He just refuses to call himself an ape because for him the word has spiritual as well as biological implications.</p><p></p><p>(AV, did I get that about right?)</p><p></p><p>*Well, I lie. In this particular context, they <em>are</em> loaded terms, because I really don't like people looking down on "just animals". (Especially when their feelings are based on ignorance of real animal behaviour.) I'm not totally decided on whether I consider humans "special" (or what that even means to me), but if you come and insult non-humans, I'm bloody well gonna stand up for them! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Naraoia, post: 62648381, member: 202689"] This is all so confusing... I think the entire issue is about semantics. Like you said, "ape", "animal" etc. obviously mean different things to different people. To me they aren't loaded terms, they simply describe aspects of our biology*. They are separate from the question of humans being special (or not). But if I call a creationist - or, to be fair, a large number of non-creationists too - an animal, they'll perceive it as an insult because the word carries other connotations in their eyes. AV is a prime example - he acknowledges the scientific classification and if we ask whether humans possess whatever biological property of animals, vertebrates, apes or whatever, I'm sure he'll agree that we do. He just refuses to call himself an ape because for him the word has spiritual as well as biological implications. (AV, did I get that about right?) *Well, I lie. In this particular context, they [I]are[/I] loaded terms, because I really don't like people looking down on "just animals". (Especially when their feelings are based on ignorance of real animal behaviour.) I'm not totally decided on whether I consider humans "special" (or what that even means to me), but if you come and insult non-humans, I'm bloody well gonna stand up for them! :) [/QUOTE]
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