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CEV

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II Kings 8:
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

II Chronicles 22:
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

Contradiction or not? Why/why not? Explain.
 
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I looked at this and have a couple of thoughts. (no scholar am I, but) all the facts about lineage are correct: parents names, where he reigned and how long he reigned. the only "discrepancy" is how old he was. I do not find that a "contradiction" simply a (in modern words) a typo. A contradiction IMHO would be that Ahaziah never reigned, that one of the verses had someone elses name, lineage as King. These are just some very preliminary ideas. Good Question. I am a bible literalist. so interesting study.

God Bless. Keep searching. God WILL show you the answers.
 
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I'm not a Baptist (come from a Baptist background though) but from what I understand, it is just a copiest's error. CARM (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry) has more information about this specific Bible difficulty as I prefer to call them:

http://www.carm.org/diff/2Kings8_26.htm
 
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I found the following article on christiancourier.com



“In 2 Kings 8:26 the Bible says that Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to reign. On the other hand, 2 Chronicles 22:2 indicates that Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he came to the throne. How does one reconcile this seeming contradiction?”
First of all, it is important to note that a true contradiction exists only when there is no possible way to reconcile two statements. If the seemingly conflicting statements address different things, or employ their terminology in varying senses, or if all of the facts are unknown or unclear – it is not fair to charge a document with contradiction. Contradiction is a form of untruth; a narrative should be treated as credible unless it can be shown conclusively not to be.

Now what are the facts relative to these two passages? As they stand in our common Bibles, there does appear to be a discrepancy. In the first place, Jehoram, the father of Ahaziah, died at the age of forty years (2 Chron. 21:5,20). When Jehoram died, Ahazaiah ascended to the throne (2 Chron. 22:2). If the son was forty-two years old at the time, then he was two years older than his deceased father! Clearly, then, there is a problem with the numeral “forty-two” in this passage, as such appears in our standard texts.

How is the matter to be resolved? Two solutions have been proffered by respectable scholars.
  1. The Hebrew text of 2 Chronicles 22:2 literally describes Ahaziah as a “son of forty-two years.” Some scholars have argued that this phrase does not mean that he, as an individual, was forty-two years old when he came to the throne. Rather, they suggest that the expression depicts the sum of years that had passed since the founding of the dynasty of Omri, the father of Ahab (note the phrase “house of Ahab” – v. 3), from whom Ahaziah was descended through his mother (v. 2b). From the time of Omri, to that of Ahaziah, was some forty-two years – see Lightfoot’s explanation as cited in Adam Clarke’s Commentary (at 2 Kings 8:26), John W. Haley’s, Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible, p. 398, Robert Jamieson in the Jamieson, Fausette, & Brown Bible Commentary, (Vol. One, p. 546), and in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, (Vol. 3, p. 269).
  2. Most scholars, however, believe that the text in 2 Chronicles reflects a scribal error. There is some evidence for the belief that the ancient Hebrews did not spell out numbers, as is the case in modern texts; rather, there was a letter/number system by which numbers were signified by letters of the Hebrew alphabet (though how far back this practice goes is speculation see: John Davis, Biblical Numerology, Baker, 1968, p. 38). Several of the letters in the Hebrew script are strikingly similar in appearance, and such is the case with the letters which represent twenty-two and forty-two. A very slight stroke of the pen could blur the distinction.
If it should be objected that God could have protected the scribes from any and all mistakes, one need only remind himself that such a precise oversight would have involved a miraculous influence upon the scribes across the centuries. Clearly, that was not Jehovah’s plan for the exercise of miraculous phenomena. For an excellent discussion of scribal transmission, see Haley (Discrepancies, p. 19ff). In addition, several ancient translations cast doubt upon the forty-two figure. Most manuscripts of the Septuagint have the number twenty, and one has twenty-two. Twenty-two is also reflected in the Syriac and the Arabic versions. Accordingly, some of the more current English translations have changed forty-two in 2 Chronicles 22:2, to twenty-two (NASB, NIV, ESV).
I understand this still doesn't answer your question in particular to Baptists due to this being from a website that doesn't claim any denomination.. but this is the best answer I could find online at the moment.

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CEV said:
So then the KJV does have copy errors. My pastor is proven wrong on this point...
CEV - all 'translations' of the bible have some errors. Here's a website that explains why (a little bit) and shows the errors in KJV. This author claims that the errors in NIV and other translations are much worse... however I'm not a scholar to say if this author is right or wrong, and I'm not sure what denomination this author is either.

In my personal opinion... it is easier for me to read NIV.. i'm sure the errors in the NIV are much better, than the way I might understand the old english of the KJV. So I read NIV... some one that might adjust to the KJV easier.. and prefers it should read it. MY feeling is that what ever brings you to know God and keeps you reading your bible regularly should be what you read.

God Bless,
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Matthew 27:3-10 (KJV): "3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. 7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. 8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. 9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; 10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."

1. Judas returns the money to the priests.
2. Judas hanged himself.
3. The priests buy a field.
4. The field was called the field of blood because Judas betrayed innocent blood.

Acts 1:16-19 (KJV): "16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. 17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood."

1. Judas bought the field, not the priests.
2. Judas did not hang himself, but tripped and fell, causing his bowels to gush out.
3. The field was called the field of blood because Judas' bowels and blood gushed out.
 
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'falling headlong" doesn't mean he tripped. My understanding is when they cut Judas down from where he was hanging, he of course, fell to the ground. A living person wouldn't burst open, but a rotting corpse would. Also, "purchased with the reward of iniquity" is not a literal purchase with money as in the first verse verse. Just try to buy land with iniquity and you'll see what I mean.

Back to the OP, most manuscripts do not contain this error, it's a printing error. Errors in copies of the Bible do not mean that those errors were in the original manuscripts written by inspired men.
 
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2 Samuel 24:1 - And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21 - And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 2 And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it.

In the first example, God moves David's heart to number Israel. In the second, it is Satan who provokes David to do this.

I'm guessing it was actually Satan, because later God punishes David for the sin.
 
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TwinCrier said:
'falling headlong" doesn't mean he tripped. My understanding is when they cut Judas down from where he was hanging, he of course, fell to the ground. A living person wouldn't burst open, but a rotting corpse would.
The verse never mentions or suggests or even hints at a dead corpse, or it being rotten. It rather implys that this is the method that Judas died. What you are suggesting is not supported by scripture.

Also, "purchased with the reward of iniquity" is not a literal purchase with money as in the first verse verse. Just try to buy land with iniquity and you'll see what I mean.
"Purchased with the reward of iniquity." Reward means money. It does not say purchased with iniquity.

Back to the OP, most manuscripts do not contain this error, it's a printing error. Errors in copies of the Bible do not mean that those errors were in the original manuscripts written by inspired men.
Yes, there is no doubt about this now.
 
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CEV said:
Matthew 27:3-10 (KJV): "3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. 7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. 8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. 9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; 10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."

1. Judas returns the money to the priests.
2. Judas hanged himself.
3. The priests buy a field.
4. The field was called the field of blood because Judas betrayed innocent blood.

Acts 1:16-19 (KJV): "16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. 17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood."

1. Judas bought the field, not the priests.
2. Judas did not hang himself, but tripped and fell, causing his bowels to gush out.
3. The field was called the field of blood because Judas' bowels and blood gushed out.

Right off the top of my head, are these two held up as the only reason, or do they instead compliment each other?

Anyway, I would suggest the article here. In the latter half, Holding writes regarding who bought the field.

In general, I use tektonics.org for help regarding these difficulties. Also, Gleason Archer's Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties has been generally helpful to me. Now, I'm not saying not to ask here. I want you to ask, ask, and ask.
 
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CEV,

You make a lot of posts about "contradictions in the Bible." In fact, as far as I can tell, all your posts are about this subject. Why? What is there about this topic that absorbs you so much?

If the Bible contradicts itself and contains error, isn't that incredibly important to the faith?
 
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RhetorTheo said:
If the Bible contradicts itself and contains error, isn't that incredibly important to the faith?
None of the "contradictions" have anything to do with actual doctrine or theology. They are all about whose mother is whose, how many people died in a certain battle.

Show me any passages that contains contradictory information about God or the plan of salvation, then I will think THOSE are important.
 
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