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How did the eye evolve? Answer here.

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Hi there, many skeptics of evolution point out the eye, and how they assume it could not have possibly evolved. Here is an interesting article on PBS.com for the answers of how the eye evolved:

The human eye is
an organ of great
complexity, both in
structure and function. The case for evolution does not depend, even for a minute, upon a claim that living organisms are not complex or intricate. One case in point is a structure often cited as a perfect example of intelligent design: the human eye.

The eye, like a top-of-the-line modern camera, contains a self-adjusting aperture, an automatic focus system, and an inner surface that minimizes the scattering of stray light. But the sensitivity range of the eye, which gives us excellent vision in both sunlight and moonlight, far surpasses that of any film. Its neural circuitry enables the eye to automatically enhance contrast. And its color-analysis system enables it to quickly adjust to lighting conditions (incandescent, fluorescent, or sunlight) that would require a photographer to change filters and films.




The proponents of intelligent design assert that the combination of nerves, sensory cells, muscles, and lens tissue in the eye could only have been "designed" from scratch. After all, how could evolution, acting on one gene at a time, start with a sightless organism and produce an eye with so many independent parts, such as a retina, which would itself be useless without a lens, or a lens, which would be useless without a retina?
Cross-section of a
human eye

In a Darwinian world, the exquisite adaptations and specializations of living organisms are the products of natural selection, a process whereby the genetic variations -- such as size, shape, and coloration -- that give individuals the best chance to survive and reproduce are passed on to subsequent generations.

The pathway by which evolution can produce complex structures has been brilliantly explained in The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins, a biologist at Oxford University. The essence of Dawkins’s explanation is simple. Given enough time (thousands of years) and material (millions of individuals in a species), many genetic changes will occur that result in slight improvements in a system or structure such as the eye. However slight that improvement, as long as it is genuine, natural selection will favor its spread throughout the species over several generations.

Birds have highly
developed eyes, in
some ways even
more so than
humans.

Little by little, one improvement at a time, the system becomes more and more complex, eventually resulting in the fully functioning, well-adapted organ that we call the eye. The retina and the lens did not have to evolve separately because they evolved together.

Evolution can be used as an explanation for complex structures if we can imagine a series of small, intermediate steps leading from the simple to the complex. Further, because natural selection will act on every one of those intermediate steps, no single one can be justified on the basis of the final structure toward which it may be leading. Each step must stand on its own as an improvement that confers an advantage on the organism that possesses it.


Building an eye
This step-by-step criterion can easily be applied to a complex organ like the eye. We begin with the simplest possible case: a small animal with a few light-sensitive cells. We could then ask, at each stage, whether natural selection would favor the incremental changes that are shown, knowing that if it would not, the final structure could not have evolved, no matter how beneficial. Starting with the simplest light-sensing device, a single photoreceptor cell, it is possible to draw a series of incremental changes that would lead directly to the lens-and-retina eye. None of the intermediate stages are unreasonable, since each requires nothing more than an incremental change in structure: an increase in cell number, a change in surface curvature, a slight increase in transparency.

This incremental process is the real reason why it is unfair to characterize evolution as mere chance. Chance plays a role in presenting random genetic variations. But natural selection, which is not random, determines which variations will become fixed in the species.

Critics might ask what good that first tiny step, perhaps only five percent of an eye, might be. As the saying goes, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Likewise, in a population with limited ability to sense light, every improvement in vision, no matter how slight, would be favored -- and favored dramatically -- by natural selection.
Design flaws
Another way to respond to the theory of intelligent design is to carefully examine complex biological systems for errors that no intelligent designer would have committed. Because intelligent design works from a clean sheet of paper, it should produce organisms that have been optimally designed for the tasks they perform. Conversely, because evolution is confined to modifying existing structures, it should not necessarily produce perfection. Which is it?

The eye, that supposed paragon of intelligent design, offers an answer. We have already sung the virtues of this extraordinary organ, but we have not considered specific aspects of its design, such as the neural wiring of its light-sensing units. These photoreceptor cells, located in the retina, pass impulses to a series of interconnecting cells that eventually pass information to the cells of the optic nerve, which leads to the brain.
Light passes
through the lens
to the retina,
and then to the
brain.


An intelligent designer, working with the components of this wiring, would choose the orientation that produces the highest degree of visual quality. No one, for example, would suggest that the neural connections should be placed in front of the photoreceptor cells -- thus blocking the light from reaching them -- rather than behind the retina.

Less-than-perfect vision
Incredibly, this is exactly how the human retina is constructed. Visual quality is degraded because light scatters as it passes through several layers of cellular wiring before reaching the retina. Granted, this scattering has been minimized because the nerve cells are nearly transparent, but it cannot be eliminated because of the basic design flaw. Moreover, the effects are compounded because a network of vessels, which is needed to supply the nerve cells with a rich supply of blood, also sits directly in front of the light-sensitive layer, another feature that no engineer would propose.

A more serious flaw occurs because the neural wiring must poke directly through the wall of the retina to carry the nerve impulses produced by photoreceptor cells to the brain. The result is a blind spot in the retina -- a region where thousands of impulse-carrying cells have pushed the sensory cells aside. Each human retina has a blind spot roughly a millimeter in diameter -- one that would not exist if only the eye were designed with its sensory wiring behind rather than in front of the photoreceptors.
The optic nerve
connects to the
brain through a
hole in the
retina, causing a
blind spot.

Do these design problems exist because it is impossible to construct an eye that is wired properly, so that the light-sensitive cells face the incoming image? Not at all. Many organisms have eyes in which the neural wiring is neatly tucked away behind the photoreceptor layer. The squid and the octopus, for example, have a lens-and-retina eye quite similar to our own, but their eyes are wired right-side out, with no light-scattering nerve cells or blood vessels in front of the photoreceptors, and no blind spot.nside-out development
Evolution, which works by repeatedly modifying preexisting structures, can explain the inside-out nature of our eyes quite simply. The vertebrate retina evolved as a modification of the outer layer of the brain. Over time, evolution progressively modified this part of the brain for light sensitivity. Although the layer of light-sensitive cells gradually assumed a retina-like shape, it retained its original orientation, including a series of nerve connections on its surface. Conversely, mollusk eyes are wired optimally because rather than evolving from brain cells, which have wiring on the surface, they evolved from skin cells, which retained their original orientation with the wiring below the surface.

The living world is filled with examples of many other organs and structures that clearly have their roots in the opportunistic modification of a preexisting structure rather than the clean elegance of design. This does not, despite the fears of "intelligent design" advocates, amount to evidence against the existence of a Deity. Properly understood, as Darwin himself pointed out, it only deepens our respect for the power and subtlety of the Creator's remarkable ways.

Thank you for taking time to read all of this, I think this is interesting and every skeptic of Evolution should read this. Thank you!
 

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Good stuff. I don't know why people think it's such a hard thing for the eye to evolve, you can look all across nature and see eyes that are in thousands of different forms, all more and less advanced than others. In other words, it is not difficult to see how the eye can transition/evolve into a more complex form, since the history of it is right in front of us to see.

Before anyone mentions it, let's go ahead and get this infamous Darwin quote out of the way:

"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

And that is where a creationist will dishonestly leave off. Let's go ahead and include the rest of what he was saying, as is the right thing to do.

"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."

Kinda changes what Darwin supposedly said, doesn't it?
 
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I guess my evolved genes just cannot understand how one accident after another accident, after another accident (x 1,000,000,000 or more) can accidently become an eye, complex, able to communicate with the brain so that the brain can also interpret what the eye is seeing into thought that is understandable to any human or animal.

Amazing how simplistic your explanation is without the absurdity of complications or acknowledging that if accidents can happen for the good, they more than often happen for the negative.

It just isn't that simple.
 
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You just forget that these "accidents" happen in parallel. And that the sexual reproduction helps to combine successful "accidents".
As a homework you may try to answer yourself the question "Why specimens with negative "accidents" have less chance to reproduce their genes, so generally good genes stay in the gene pool?"

P.S.: The answer:
"Because they have higher probability to die before being able to reproduce".
 
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The bolded emphasis is mine. I just don't understand what you were trying to say with that last sentence fragment. Care to elaborate?

Amazing how simplistic your explanation is without the absurdity of complications or acknowledging that if accidents can happen for the good, they more than often happen for the negative.
To address your claim "if accidents can happen for the good, they more than often happen for the negative," I would like to ask you, honestly, how well do you know the evolutionary theory? Do you understand that evolution by process of natural selection (what Darwin proposed) posits that the "accidents" that "happen for the negative" get selected out and to not contribute to the future generation of the population? That's a point that's often ignored by people who believe
 
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Natural selection.
Amazing how simplistic your explanation is without the absurdity of complications or acknowledging that if accidents can happen for the good, they more than often happen for the negative.
That is why, historically, only a relative handful of lineages per species have managed to qualify as successful. And even then mass extinctions have made that point minor in the long run.
It just isn't that simple.
You've got that right.
 
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did the eye evolve? no
Where did the trilobite get its very good eyes from as there are no precursory transitionals in the fossil record?

The fossil record is incomplete.
Let me draw a comparison to Alexander Mendeleev, who stuck to his conviction about the properties of elements, when compiling his periodic table, leaving gaps.
These gaps were later filled in.
Do you think it would be at all logical to accept that there are gaps in human knowledge about certain subjects, but that the inference and method is correct?
 
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So by inferance: you are asking me to accept "by faith" "the fact" that there must have been a transitional fossil. A fossil that has yet to be discovered to explain the rapid apearance of eyes in the trilobite community.

Q. if i do not accept that "fact" am i being unscientific ?

As science comes by observation and testing we have not observed anything in relation to this matter. so it is not a fact. But then again pro evolution scientists admit "facts do not speak for themselves facts are read in light of theory" SJ Gould
 
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Probably, although it is not a fact as such. We have nothing approaching a complete set of fossils for any major transitional event, so inference (or prediction) is the order of the day here.

Nevertheless, an inference/prediction can be entirely reasonable if the theoretical framework surrounding it is solid. In the case of the trilobite eye, several factors mitigate in its favor: that common descent in general has massive explanatory power, that numerous predicted transitionals in other instances were later discovered, that eyes are such a huge advantage in predator-prey dynamics.
 
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Trilobit eyes aren't as complex as they first appear. At their most basic they are not much more than groups of photosensitive cells with calcite crystals over them.

Their evolutionary development has been known about for over 30 years:

Clarkson, E. N. K. 1975. The evolution of the eye in trilobites. Fossils and Strata 4:7-31.

Euan Clarkson was my evolutionary palaeontology professor at Edinburgh and a world authority on trilobiteyes, he used to buy you a pint if you found a trilobite eye.

The problem of pre-cursors of trilobite eyes in the Pre-Cambrian brings you up against lack of fossil evidence, due to the paucity of fossilised soft bodied faunas.

We know that analagous modern soft bodied animals can have quite complex eyes, the addition of calcitic skeletalization lead to the possiblity of lens structures over the eyes, and this is all bound up in the so-called Cambrian "arms race" of predator prey interactions. Good eyes being a massive survival advantage would be very strongly selected for.

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Evolution/TrilobiteArmsRace.htm

Next

http://scienceweek.com/2005/sw050805-2.htm

A nice short abstract on early eye evolution. Emphasising the increase in complexity of the eyes seen across the Cambrian.

Also shown on this site

http://www.trilobites.info/eyes.htm

This emphasises the genetics and especially HOX genes.

www.biology.ucsd.edu/classes/bggn220.FA06/EyeGeneEvolution.pdf

With the increased emphasis on finding Pre-Cambrian fossils, and the opening up of the largest areas of late pre-Cambrian rocks in Siberia and China, I am hopeful that we may find eyes preserved in soft bodied animals eventually, but we will need exceptional preservation.
 
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I think it's funny (or very sad) how some of us are demonized for "having faith" in things science doesn't have cold, hard "facts" for. Last I checked, everything we all use and take for granted in today's ultra-modern world was created in some way by science. Many things have been predicted, inspired, and invented because of evolution. I hope all you YEC'ers don't take vaccinations or use any medicines from modern biology, because guess what! They are based on the theory of evolution! You talk as if evolution doesn't exist, but it happens in front of your face every single day. Ever wonder why the common cold and a million other diseases still exist and always will exist despite our vast arsenal of medicines? Because they evolve based on natural selection and these new diseases continue to evolve resistance to our medicines, and always will. If that isn't a clear cut in-your-face example of evolution, I don't know what is.

When was the last time God turned out something useful for mankind? No, seriously, when was the last time God (or one of his many inspired minions) invented something for the benefit of mankind that was based on direct supernatural revelation? I don't know about you, but if I'm sick, I'll take a vaccination based on evolutionary theory from a doctor than prayer from a preacher ANY day.
 
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It's not - because it isn't random.

This is a terrific demonstration I watched once that demonstrates the difference between "randomness" and "natural selection."

Here's what you do. Get two different decks of cards - one with a blue back, one with a red back. For each deck, take out the 2 through 8 of clubs. Put the rest of the cards back, so now you have two small stacks of 7 cards each.

For each deck, your object is going to be to get the 2 through 8 dealt out in the correct order, but how you go about it for each will be a bit different.

For the red deck, shuffle the 7 cards well and hold them face down. Deal the top card and turn it face up. If it is the 2, then deal the next card. If it is the next card in sequence, then deal the next card. If at any time you deal a card that is out of sequence, then you pick up all the cards you have dealt out, reshuffle the cards, and then start over. So for example, if you first deal the 4, pick it up and start over. If you deal 2 and 3, but then deal 6, pick all those cards up and reshuffle to start over. Keep track of how many times you have to go through this process before you deal out the 2 through 8 in exactly the right order.

Now, for the blue deck, shuffle and do the same thing. Turn the top card up, and if it's the 2, deal the next card. If it's the next card in sequence, deal the next card, and so on. If at any time you deal a card out of sequence, pick up just that card and reshuffle it with any cards that have not been dealt - BUT leave behind any cards already in sequence. So for example, if you deal 2, 3, 6, you pick up the 6 and reshuffle, but NOT the 2 and 3. If you deal 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, you just pick up the 7 and leave behind the others. Keep doing this until you get the 2 through 8 all dealt out in the right order.

Now, even without actually doing this, you should easily be able to see which of these two processes is going to most quickly result in the right sequence. The blue deck should be doable in about 20 tries or less. I've done it in three before, but typically it will take more. The red deck, however, should take a very long time to get right. Eventually, yes, you might hit on the right sequence, but there is no guarantee you will before you lose patience with the whole thing.

Contrary to what is popularly believed amongst creationists, evolution works the way the BLUE deck works, not the red. Creationists would like to think that it is completely random like the red deck, but it is not and the theory does not anywhere state that the process is completely random. Evolution is a series of steps, each step an improvement or necessary step beyond the last, leading eventually to more complex systems that are well-adapted to their environment and needs.
 
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Of course it is. If you have a million one-pence pieces, and flip them all, then, all the ones that land tails flip again, you will eventually get all heads landing up.
According to your argument, this is infinitely unlikely, since it required a millions of coincidences one after another.

The thing is, selection is the equivalent of reflipping the tails coins. All the bad changes (flips) are less likely to be propagated, so you end up with only good changes.
Those are then the basis one which the next changes may happen.

It's really very simple.

EDIT: OK, didn't realise RealityCheck said essentially the same thing. Never mind.
 
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did the eye evolve? no
Where did the trilobite get its very good eyes from as there are no precursory transitionals in the fossil record?

I suppose you know of the fossils of the planarium, which has simpler eyes? No? Oh, that's right, because planaria don't fossilise! This is the thing - we don't have many fossils at all before the Cambrian "explosion" because before that time, everything was soft tissue, which hardly ever fossilises.
 
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So are you saying that Catholics have good genes because they have more children and their genes will stay in the gene pool?

And are you also saying that homosexuals are specimens of negative "accidents", because they have a higher probability to die before being able to reproduce?

And are you also saying that man hating feminazis are specimens of negative "accidents", because they have a higher probability to die shrivelled up old maids instead of reproducing?
 
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No that's not at all what he is saying.

You should actually read a book on evolution. It would go a long way in clearing up misconceptions like this.

(If only evolution took care of ignorance and stupidity)
 
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So are you saying that Catholics have good genes because they have more children and their genes will stay in the gene pool?
Good genes have nothing to do with number of children, if one is able to have children, of course. Also religion is not transmited by genes.

And are you also saying that homosexuals are specimens of negative "accidents", because they have a higher probability to die before being able to reproduce?
As far as I know homosexuality is not passed genetically either.

And are you also saying that man hating feminazis are specimens of negative "accidents", because they have a higher probability to die shrivelled up old maids instead of reproducing?
No. What people believe (in this case "hate women!") is not passed genetically. Like religion.

But nevertheless, the ideas are being passed from one generation to the next and can have great impact on survivability and comfort of people having them or having to deal with them. That is also evolution, but not biological. It's evolution of ideas. You know what happened with communism, don't you?

There was times when atheism was idea with low survivability. You know about the Inquisition, don't you?

And example from the near future:
Creationism -> (pressure by the scientific community) -> (evolution step) -> ID
 
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Here is an interesting article on PBS.com for the answers of how the eye evolved:
correction: "Here is an interesting article on PBS.com for the answers of how the eye COULD HAVE evolved:" . All I see in this article is "could, would, maybe, possibly, should..." and then a drastic change into a "did, was, is..." without anything showing me any evidence or telling me this has been observed and/or proven beyond reasonable doubt. That's not to say that evolutionists don't claim such evidence, but just to point out the jump in conclusions...

The proponents of intelligent design assert that the combination of nerves, sensory cells, muscles, and lens tissue in the eye could only have been "designed" from scratch.
The argument includes that there is a purpose for the eye, a design objective, a reason for why everything is where it is and the way it is, that there are limitations imposed by the Designer on the organ as a whole.

evolutionary theory in a nutshell

Design flaws
As expected...

errors that no intelligent designer would have committed.
"Errors" according to our limited knowledge?

An intelligent designer, working with the components of this wiring, would choose the orientation that produces the highest degree of visual quality.
Highest degree of quality whilst keeping in mind other limitations imposed in the design and the intent. That would make a better designer, in my opinion, one who sees the big picture.

That is, a human engineer. But not only that, there have been arguments made that the wrong orientation might actually be better than the "right" orientation. After all, because there is an ever increasing amount of knowledge, we can expect some previous claims to be refuted in light of new evidences. Not only that, this in no way would disprove evolution, the argument would then follow "It evolved like this because it better suits us."

Really, can anything be claimed optimal by evolutionists?

I think the author forgot the "optimal". Yes, there are other eyes that are wired differently, but they don't have the same benefits of the human eye - they would not work for us. Is it impossible to construct an eye wired "properly"? No, it's been done. But it won't serve it's purpose as good as the current eye.
No evidence to back up any of this. Only a storyline, a mythical explanation. He might as well say it evolved from spaghettis.
The living world is filled with examples of many other organs and structures that clearly have their roots in the opportunistic modification of a preexisting structure rather than the clean elegance of design.
These organs clearly have many similarities, no need to jump to an evolutionary myth
 
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