Why do you argue pointlessly.
How much of mankind was consigned under sin ?
Proverbs 14:7-9King James Version (KJV)I'm sorry you do not like when I give Bible verses. And you make us believe you get everything from the Bible.
No one is given over to the custody of sin. Sin is birthed from a choice a person makes when tempted. Perhaps you don't believe James, as others do not.
Proverbs 14:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
8 The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
9 Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.
This is why everyone is leaving you and ignoring you.
Maybe because a few people care for you,
and
you are locked in some survival mode rejecting
letting anyone help.
A lot of pain in the past, yes, and a lot of people
hate us all (anyone who TRUSTS JESUS),
and a lot of people
seek ONLY to hurt us.
Why should I or anyone else care about you when you twist everyone's words around like this in your posts for the last several weeks (as several others have noted from the content of your posts)?So calling me a fool is caring for me?
If you bothered to look up anything I said from the BIBLE, you might find out there was no pretending.You keep pretending you only go by the Bible, yet when I give passage after passage, you keep finding fault with me. What gives?
Sorry for the late response, I was extremely tired yesterday.I think that this verse refutes what you said.
Psalm 51:5
…4 Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge. 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Just the opposite in SCRIPTURE.David had got influenced into iniquity by the way he was raise.
I really don't see how you can not see that these verses show that in the womb we have a tendency towards sin.Sorry for the late response, I was extremely tired yesterday.
Actually those verses testify to what I said. David had got influenced into iniquity by the way he was raise. It could be the fact that he was born a human and thus more prone to sin or has more of a predisposition to sin instinctively due to our carnal nature.
But nowhere in the Scriptures does it say "original sin". That is false doctrine. You can believe what you want, I'm not here to get into a heated argument. That isn't what Scripture teaches us anyway. Yahushua didn't debate, he taught, reproved, and instructed.
I think that this verse refutes what you said.
Psalm 51:5
…4 Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge. 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
I assume since you said "you guys" it' OK to answer this.So you guys believe babies and children are not innocent and can go to hell? A baby cannot repent of its sins, so that is a bit unfair, is it not?
So you guys believe babies and children are not innocent and can go to hell? A baby cannot repent of its sins, so that is a bit unfair, is it not?
I also know (as do all Calvinists) that God is fair, righteous and just and that all things are judged by Hm.I know God is fair, righteous and just. And all things are judged by Him. I don't know why people are always messing with these questions. God is handling it.
That was meant in general, to all people about babies going to hell.I also know (as do all Calvinists) that God is fair, righteous and just and that all things are judged by Hm.
I, just as you, don't know why people keep saying things like Calvinists believe babies go to Hell.
I wish people would just stop messing with these questions.
God is handling it according to plan just as He intended to do before the foundation of the world.
Although we are under grace, we are also under the law of Yahuwah and the ten commandments. We must work out our salvation daily with reverence and trembling. You can't have faith without works or living an unfruitful life because we are supposed to bear the fruits of the Spirit and vice versa with having works but no faith. Faith and works coincide with one another just like you cannot have a physical body without a soul to complete yourself. The one who bears bad fruit will be cut down. Lukewarms will also receive the same fate. The fruit you bare defines who you are. We must be holy as Yah is holy.I assume since you said "you guys" it' OK to answer this.
Where has anyone here said that babies or even children go to Hell? Please provide a quote if you can find one.
Certainly there are many who believe babies who die at an early age or in the womb go to Hell. But they are in the minority even among 5-point Calvinists.
Reformed believe that salvation is by grace. Thus infants and children who dies in innocence before actually sinning are likely among the elect of God.
Babies have not sinned. They do have a sin nature due to the original sin of Adam our corporate head and are thus bound to sin sooner or later - but they have not sinned.
Born again Christians have not become perfect and without sin either. We have a perfect nature in our new man due to the perfect life of our corporate head and thus will be perfectly without sin someday.
An understanding of the federal nature of our life in the first Adam forms the basis for our understanding of the federal nature of our life in the second and last Adam.
This doctrine is what makes the Christian belief that we don't have to become perfect in this life or even overcome sin to some arbitrary standard in order to be saved scripturally viable.
Of course many here don't believe that to be the case - EmSw being the most prominent current poster to deny these doctrines and thus deny that salvation is grace based.
Now you are adding your own words to what we have said.So you guys believe babies and children are not innocent and can go to hell? A baby cannot repent of its sins, so that is a bit unfair, is it not?
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