How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

ARBITER01 · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
And please show me any Catholic worshipping someone other than God

Got to utube, plenty of catholic mariology and pope worship happening there. Plenty of threads for anyone to watch thread.

You guys are great debaters and deniers, but your actions tend to speak louder about who really is your focus in your church.

Nadiine · Feb 11, 2009

sunlover1 said:
Oh shoot, we can serve you up a good helping of liberalism
over here too. It's just packaged a bit differently. Much
more subtle at first, then BAM out comes the fangs.

Great to see you here though.
Actually, you've wandered here before, probably had wandered
in through the back door (link in another thread).
I think our reputation might be even worse than P/E.

oh that's IMPOSSIBLE! (at least in my view).
Have I been here before? Gosh, I think I did find a trap door
someplace - yesterday I wondered how many people were in theology, saw some 34 names & wondered, "where are they all?? LOL".
So I went one by one till I found everybody & here
ya-awl were.
Well, to me, this is breath of fresh air compared to P/E

I guess it depends on which trenches you frequent?
LOL

Great to C U 2!!

MamaZ · Feb 11, 2009

Christ came and layed His life down for His sheep and took it up again. Stating it is finished. Therefore to those who have Christ are His for all eternity. Good news.

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
All of the Gospel is also taught in Paul's epistles. Are they the Gospels?

I know of some Protestants that actually think the Gospels are for the Jews only

squint · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
And please show me any Catholic worshipping someone other than God

I'm OK with RCC members bowing/genuflecting to Mary, praying to Mary, crossing themselves in front of Mary statues, and even calling NONE of that worship. (nudge nudge chuckle chuckle)

Where I do draw the line is where they condemn me (and all others) to potentially burn in hell for being heretics in NOT doing so.

What good is praying to Mary if you have to carry the potential of condemnation to others for not doing so? Is there some justification in that for YOU? What you do does me no (overt) harm, but I would suggest that it DOES your own heart harm to have to measure other people in that way.

enjoy!

squint

Markus6 · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
Really? OK. Explain how somebody can deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement and be saved.

Well it's pretty easy. Unless you think one person denying it actually affects the sufficency of Christ's atonement. If they believe in him and accept his sacrifice for them on the cross...

Nadiine said:
Please show me a liberal who doesn't promote immorality
as good, or doesn't deny scripture authority & inerrancy
(inerrancy as in the truth it teaches isn't corrupted or false - not that a
number was inadvertantly transposed)

All of them I've seen deny the scriptures as God's truth (ie.
relative religion according to a preference of cherry picked
verses that only offer blessing, love, acceptance & eternal life) and
promote all sorts of moral perversions just for starters.

But that's going off topic and I don't want to carry this into another
topic.

Well I'm liberal (probably not quite, but definitely not conservative) and I don't promote any immorality as good. My view of scripture maybe different from yours but my view of God, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is more important. I am born again.

What exactly does agreeing with you have to do with being born of the Spirit? I see a couple of options: must one agree with you in order to be born of the Spirit or if someone is born of the Spirit they will necessarily grow to agree with you.

Nadiine · Feb 11, 2009

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CaliforniaJosiah · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
And please show me any Catholic worshipping someone other than God

Friend, there are over 1 billion Catholics. NOT ALL OF THEM ALWAYS do as the Catholic Church desires, counsels or commands. I'm thinking of some things I've read about in Haiti, in Peru that some Protestant could mention (I won't, lol). IMHO, your emphasis on what any example of any of the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world is a misplaced one. The RCC is clearly, boldly and consistently on record here. As I noted.

And frankly, what this has to do with the issue of this thread is a puzzle to me. Reconciliation REQUIRES that ALL PARTIES regard themselves as potentially wrong, accountable and willing to both learn and change. IMHO, the RCC is not. We could discuss if that's bad or good (an interesting discussion - just not THIS one) but that IS the case. Thus, no "reconciliation" is POSSIBLE. Of course, we can all convert to Catholicism but that's not RECONCILIATION.

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Musa80 · Feb 11, 2009

UB, I was a bit harsh to you in certain other threads that don't seem to exist on GT anymore, but you are generally making an effort to be respectful to all traditions and that is honorable. Forgive me if I might have offended you.

JohnDeereFan · Feb 11, 2009

Markus6 said:
Well it's pretty easy. Unless you think one person denying it actually affects the sufficency of Christ's atonement. If they believe in him and accept his sacrifice for them on the cross...

If you deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement, you are not saved.

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 11, 2009

Intercisus said:
UB, I was a bit harsh to you in certain other threads that don't seem to exist on GT anymore, but you are generally making an effort to be respectful to all traditions and that is honorable. Forgive me if I might have offended you.

He traded his heart of stone for a heart of flesh me thinks

Ephesians 4:18 Having been darkened the understanding, being alienated of the life of the God, thru the ignorance the being in them thru the hardening of their heart

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

Uphill Battle said:
It just make ME reach for my sword, Intercisus. Avast. arrr.

JohnDeereFan · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
So, that proves that the following post is an out-and-out lie:

Rather than keep on attacking me, how about just proving me wrong?

Pretend that I'm an unsaved person and explain to me how I can be saved.

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
If you deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement, you are not saved.

God has spoken.
We can now close the thread

MamaZ · Feb 11, 2009

Jesus became a man to die for sin. It is by being born again that one is adopted Children of God.

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
Rather than keep on attacking me, how about just proving me wrong?.....

You're doing a fine job of that yourself. You don't need my help

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
God has spoken.
We can now close the thread

Umm, take that up with your pope

simonthezealot · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
All of the Gospel is also taught in Paul's epistles. Are they the Gospels?

The gospel is...
1 corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Markus6 · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
If you deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement, you are not saved.

Ah yes. Agreeing with you on a certain intricate theological question is more important than faith in God, in his Son Jesus the Christ, in his sacrifice on the cross and then having love and seeking to follow his commands.

Nadiine · Feb 11, 2009

Markus6 said:
Well it's pretty easy. Unless you think one person denying it actually affects the sufficency of Christ's atonement. If they believe in him and accept his sacrifice for them on the cross...

Well I'm liberal (probably not quite, but definitely not conservative) and I don't promote any immorality as good. My view of scripture maybe different from yours but my view of God, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is more important. I am born again.

What exactly does agreeing with you have to do with being born of the Spirit? I see a couple of options: must one agree with you in order to be born of the Spirit or if someone is born of the Spirit will the necessarily grow to agree with you?

Oh that's right - I forgot to mention liberalisms love of relativism.
(which is failed & circular).
My interpretation may not be your interpretation -

Sorry if we can't know what truth of God is (unto salvation), then how did Jesus tell us how to spot wolves & heretics & false teachers?
According to this relativistic religious view we're all to carry (ie. value
others interpretations no matter HOW wacked & contrary they are
to obvious meaning), you CANNOT POSSIBLY IDENTIFY WHO'S A FALSE
TEACHER OR WOLF becuz you have to "value their differences" of interpretation.
Even when they digress into full blown heresies & immorality.

Sorry, that's another liberalistic view that should be rejected becuz
it counter's scripture teaching on being able to IDENTIFY the false.
Meaning, you CAN & should know what's true within the bible to be
able to use proper discernment, to learn what is true AND teach what is true.

2 Peter 3:15-16
just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures,
to their own destruction.

This is not to say all of us have arrived at knowing all truth when the bible
is not detailed enough on a particular minor doctrine - & opinions CAN
vary in Christian liberties that each of us operate differently under.
The central & major doctrines are what we don't devate from and
what define "Christianity".

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