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Don't you see how hypocritical it is in a thread on forgiveness to beat this drum? Since you are here on this forum and not murdered, this obviously did not happen to you. So what has hardened your heart on this issue? Hate is the opposite of love and the barrier to any true forgiveness. Please seek God's love, wherever you find it and drop these hateful attitudes..the rcc has murdered untold thousands for stating the truth and the moment the religious political climate allows they will do so again .
Your point is?"And lo, I will be with you always, even unto the end of the age."
You know, speaking of things He said to people who physically walked with Him and stuff.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”Lol. Really?!
John 20:23
23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
It's in black and white. Clear instructions from Jesus yet you choose not to believe the words of Our Lord!
Why would God give the power to forgive to such a few at a given time and then remove it? Might as well not do it. What purpose would it have?Your point is?
You were shown biblical proof of the twelves special mission. You deny it is there. What does this scripture mean?Seems like you're playing word games.
Jesus gave the right of forgiving sins to a whole room full of disciples, not Apostles, and you say that they are Apostles by virtue of the fact that they are sent out. They and seventy previous other disciples were also sent out, and that makes them de facto Apostles by your definition, despite not actually being referred to as Apostles, directly. Later, after both events, the Bible clearly spells out that there were still only eleven Apostles left, and Matthias was appointed to be the twelfth. It says nothing about them being a special kind of Apostle. It makes no mention, ever, of there being other Apostles until Paul's conversion. Now you can play word games with the definition of an Apostle, but absolutely all evidence points to the fact that Christ gave that anointing to a room full of disciples, not just Apostles, and if a priest tells you differently, then it only reinforces my earlier statement that priests love to take what was given to the many and restrict it to the few (themselves). Every pagan religion has its priests that revel in their own esoteric knowledge and power, but Christ came to give his grace, power and forgiveness to the common man.
Was that “be with you always” promise also limited to the original audience who heard it?Your point is?
Matthew 10:1Seems like you're playing word games.
Jesus gave the right of forgiving sins to a whole room full of disciples, not Apostles, and you say that they are Apostles by virtue of the fact that they are sent out. They and seventy previous other disciples were also sent out, and that makes them de facto Apostles by your definition, despite not actually being referred to as Apostles, directly. Later, after both events, the Bible clearly spells out that there were still only eleven Apostles left, and Matthias was appointed to be the twelfth. It says nothing about them being a special kind of Apostle. It makes no mention, ever, of there being other Apostles until Paul's conversion. Now you can play word games with the definition of an Apostle, but absolutely all evidence points to the fact that Christ gave that anointing to a room full of disciples, not just Apostles, and if a priest tells you differently, then it only reinforces my earlier statement that priests love to take what was given to the many and restrict it to the few (themselves). Every pagan religion has its priests that revel in their own esoteric knowledge and power, but Christ came to give his grace, power and forgiveness to the common man.
That is about the extent of the denial.Plain answer> They can't.
He didn't. After looking further into this verse, the implication is that ,Actually they were only declaring what God was doing.Why would God give the power to forgive to such a few at a given time and then remove it? Might as well not do it. What purpose would it have?
It's a little confusing to me to understand the process. Can someone explain this?
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Did Jesus physically breath on you and give you these instructions? Where are these instructions given to believers after his ascension?
Told to a specific group of people who physically walked with Jesus.
See, this is something totally different than forgiving sins. Any Christian can be a servant of Christ, and tell someone how to receive forgiveness. That is a far cry from a priest telling someone that HE forgives their sins.t isn't the pastor who is doing the forgiveness, the forgiveness is from God, and the authority to forgive belongs to Jesus Christ; the pastor is acting as a servant of Christ, in the name and stead of Christ to pronounce forgiveness of sins.
See, this is something totally different than forgiving sins. Any Christian can be a servant of Christ, and tell someone how to receive forgiveness. That is a far cry from a priest telling someone that HE forgives their sins.
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