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When I need your arrogant know-it-all opinion, I'll ask for it.

In essence you did ask for it. This is an open forum, if you don't want people to engage with what you post, then don't post it. But certainly don't blame @Ophiolite or anyone else for giving you their honest opinion.

FYI, hypersensitivity to criticism doesn't help to bolster your case.
 
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FYI, hypersensitivity to criticism doesn't help to bolster your case.
The only thing that annoys me more than criticism of my opinions is failure to criticise my opinions. The former makes me temporarily annoyed, the latter leaves me permanently ignorant.
 
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The only thing that annoys me more than criticism of my opinions is failure to criticise my opinions. The former makes me temporarily annoyed, the latter leaves me permanently ignorant.
The thing that irritated me was the fact that the event really took place.

I was woken up by a shake in the middle of the back. It was a hot sticky night in January heat, and I wasn't sleeping comfortably.

I rolled over and started to wake up. As I did so something started to materialise near the door.

To my surprise it was my father, and he looked a bit surprised himself. As I think I indicated elsewhere I think he'd just been told to apologise and bingo! ... He found himself immediately in my room, despite having no idea where I lived.

For the record, I wrote down some of the exchange years ago, and I've put it below. It's not overly well written and one of these days I'll get around to tidying it up, and inserting some of the other things we said but which were not included.

PS - I changed one name and made it fictitious.

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@Bob Crowley Bob, expanding on your experience as you did in your latest post demonstrates what I have already acknowledged to be the case: this event was, and remains, very important to you. Thank you for sharing it.
Since you have made it clear, ("Crystal clear!", to echo Jack Nicholson) that you are not interested in my opinion, there is nothing I can add.
 
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That took place 46 years ago, 47 years this coming January.

My mother's brother turned up to tell me about his death four days later as my father's body wasn't found for four days.

When he told me my father had died, there was a bit of the usual shock. But when he said "It's a mess. His body wasn't found for four days", the penny dropped and I started counting back the nights.

I remember turning towards the bedroom and thinking "Then what the hell was that the other night??!"

My uncle saw the look on my face and said "Are you all right?" Of course he thought it was the news of my father's death, whereas in fact it was the memory of the exchange which took place four nights before.

I scanned the death certificate ((9th January 1979 - I was 24 at the time - I'm now 71) and I photographed his gravestone which shows a date 4 days later, 15th January 1979. The reason for that is that his sisters who did most of the funeral organisation didn't want his mother to know that her son had been dead for 4 days before being found. Unfortunately the scan and photo are on a different computer but I do have copies.

When they told me of their decision they added that she had lost her youngest son at a young age. He died most unexpectedly at the age of 31 (brain embolism). That was a shock as I'd been camping with him and a few other blokes not long before and he looked perfectly well. I was ten going on eleven at the time.

Now that was 46 years ago and I still remember a good amount of detail. How many conversations do you remember 46 years later?

It happened all right- he turned up in my bedroom the night he died. And i don't remember dreams - most mornings when I wake up I couldn't even tell you if I've had a dream or not.
 
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At the risk of becoming repetitive, there were a few more things he said which I haven't included. The problem now is trying to remember the sequence in which he said these things and fit them into the narrative.

However they included -

1. Predictions of wars which haven't happened YET, but the way things are going I think they could well come to pass. I'm not going to put them here as I don't want to be accused of increasing political tensions.

2. At one point he cried out with some alarm “I always was doomed! I didn't really have any choice!"

I was an atheist at the time but that seemed unjust to me. I said "That can't be right!" He replied "Oh, it's right, all right. You can see that from here!"

But later in the conversation he said "I was WILLING...." (to act the way he did and keep acting that way). This of course brings up the hoary old chestnut of predestionation and free will, which I don't intend to get into here.

In the case of Adolf Hitler for example, I think he "... always was doomed...", but I think we could be quite confident that he was "... WILLING ..." to do the things he did and to keep doing them. I'd say, "more than willing".

3. He said at one stage “By the time you’ve finished my name will be mud in heaven and on earth!" At the time that sounded ridiculous but he's already known in heaven (and/or hell) simply because he is dead. I'm not setting out to blacken his name but with the internet these days who knows what's going to happen?

But the internet didn't exist in 1979. There was a system called ARPANET, which became the internet in 1983, but in 1979 I'd never seen a personal computer or even heard of one.

4. He mentioned a particular Australian politician and said "He's a spoilt brat!", but I'm not naming names.

5. He also said "I needed psychiatric help, but it wasn't available!" No doubt that was true, and perhaps if the help had been available he might have changed his tune somewhat. But he spent most of my life deliberately humiliating me, so I find it hard to be sympathetic.

Those were other things he said, but I now have trouble remembering exactly when he said them and in what part of the conversation. But that's the bulk of them.

I've had other spiritual experiences, but I've only directly seen two deceased persons - my father (with verbal exchange) and one aunt (sight only) - and that's it. I've had a few visions one of which was affirmed as accurate by the pastor as he featured in it, along with another church attendee and a former neighbour.

There's also been a few "double whammies' which are like a breath going through you in waves from head to foot. In my case they highlighted what someone else was saying in each case.

They're probably the main supernatural incidents in my life anyway. The rest of the time I get along like anybody else, confined to this natural world and its laws only.
 
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