How can Jesus have born future sins?

Carl Emerson said:

In John 17 we see Jesus referring to His unity with the Godhead - I see no scriptural support to suggest this changed as you claim.

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The Godhead or the Trinity has not changed but the Incarnation was a new event that was unique in history. The Incarnation is not a timeless event. It happened at one point in time. The Word was made flesh (John 1:14). Flesh was added to the second person of the Trinity (i.e. the Son of God). So this shows that God has a past and has lived in it. He is not outside of time as you assume. That is the thinking of Plato.

Carl Emerson said:

I have never said this or thought it...

The Cross is both historical and timeless - the blood of Jesus spills right across history past, present and future.

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The event of Jesus being crucified happened in real time at one specific point in time. It happened in our past. Yes, the effects of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is for the salvation of all men, but these literal events happened one time and they are not going to happen again.

That is why we can come to the cross at any time and appropriate it's provision of healing. (1 Peter 2:24)

That is why we can claim cleansing from sin through the blood of the Cross at any time.

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Jesus is our Heavenly High Priest. He has a physical flesh and blood body forever to make intercession for the saints. His death, burial, and resurrection happened one time in the past. They are not timeless events. They happened one time in real time as events in history. The Catholics believe they re-crucify Christ every time they do mass. But this is not what the Scriptures teach.

You said:

5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. 9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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The passage in Philippians 2 above is showing how Christ humbled Himself as a servant to the point of death upon the cross whereby He will be glorified and exalted by all. This is not saying the same thing you are saying within your posts.

You said:

Jesus existed in eternal time before the incarnation and was no less God during this time.

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Yes, before the Incarnation: Jesus existed as the second person of the Trinity and He existed eternally as God in eternity's past. But that does not help to prove your case that God is outside of time.

Bible Highlighter said:

The event of Jesus being crucified happened in real time at one specific point in time. It happened in our past. Yes, the effects of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is for the salvation of all men, but these literal events happened one time and they are not going to happen again.

Yes I agree and I notice you also agree that "The effects of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection is for the salvation of all men..."
This includes the faithful before Christ as His blood spilled across history. In that sense the Cross is a timeless event spanning all of history.

The passage in Philippians 2 above is showing how Christ humbled Himself as a servant to the point of death upon the cross whereby He will be glorified and exalted by all. This is not saying the same thing you are saying within your posts.

Nonsense... This passage is at the heart of my understanding.

Yes, before the Incarnation: Jesus existed as the second person of the Trinity and He existed eternally as God in eternity's past. But that does not help to prove your case that God is outside of time.

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I can only conclude that either you don't understand my position or don't want to...

Sorry BH, on my last post my responses were embedded in your quote by mistake...

zoidar said:

1. Yes, that is what I like to know.

2. Knowing of something to come, you can prepare for it, pay for it, but not carry it on you, since it doesn't yet exist, in my reasoning.

Makes sense if we see the sacrifice as an atoning sacrifice for sins, a payment for sin, whatever sin that might be or will come. But this makes the sacrifice of Christ feel less personal.

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Christ is NOW the corporate head of Israel. All the promises were made about Him (John 5:39) and for Him (Galatians 3:16)

Before Christ it was Adam who was corporate head (Romans 5:14).

Now - through faith in Christ, as He is Israel corporate (Jesus fulfilled Hosea 11 as shown in Matthew 2:13-15) we are able to be reborn with a new nature, IN HIM. If we are in Christ, we share in the privileges and relationship He enjoys as God’s true Son.

He is our covering for our sin, any and all. The Lambs blood on the door posts... we will be passed over at the judgement (we are seen through the light of His perfect, sinless blood - sheep, not goats) if we are IN HIM on that day.

It was a one time manumission that covered all who were and are in Christ, past, present, and future.

zoidar said:

I was out walking today, thinking about the sacrifice of Christ. Then this question arose, how Jesus could have born all sins that hadn't even been committed yet. How do you reason around this?

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Because Jesus Christ is God incarnate, and God having created time is not bound by it but exists at all times and in all places, now and ever and unto the ages of ages.

The question requires we first develop a thorough understanding both of what sin means and the mechanism through which atonement is made. Ultimately, I would say that Christ's death didn't address the guilt of future sins and that those sins are addressed through repentance. So what did Jesus' death and blood bring to the picture? A physical change, in which sin no longer serves to stain reality and create an unmaking in that its fundamental corruption has been dealt with. The penalty of death has been swallowed up in Christ and conquered in resurrection, the blood forever purifying the flesh from the stain of sin. After all, what is sins power except death and what better victory over death than for it to be left behind in the grave?

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry BH, on my last post my responses were embedded in your quote by mistake...

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It's all good.



God bless you.