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How can God go back and deal with the Jews?
This is legalism.....Christ is the new covenant on behalf of mankind who is our mediator and intercedes on our behalf continually....God created all of mankind and considers them all His children until they by free will choose to deny Him or Jesus.Reply to #5 but God cannot be in covenant with man without a mediator?
Reply to #5 but God cannot be in covenant with man without a mediator?
He has dealt with the Jews through the gospel. All the earliest Christians were Jews. All the apostles, and Jesus himself.How can God go back and deal with the Jews?
I suspect he loves the Jews just like he loves the Christians.How can God go back and deal with the Jews?
How can God go back and deal with the Jews?
Christ Jesus is the Mediator: God himself.Reply to #5 but God cannot be in covenant with man without a mediator?
You say, "...supposed to be..." as if something God set in motion got derailed. Can anyone change what God has planned?The difference between Jews and Gentiles is that God first chose the Jews. Everyone else was supposed to be chosen through the Jews, but they didn't obey well enough to get to that.
This is actually pretty significant if you look at it this way: Everyone on earth must choose God or they will be be condemned (John 3:18), but God chose the Jews (and they accepted him). As a result God called and calls them "my people." The Jews are special because God associated himself with the Jews and with no other people group, something that the passage of time has not changed. They would have been the original "apostles" of the good news, if they had obeyed. God does not associate himself with any human institution. It is the institution (or individual) who must associate himself with God—except for the Jews as a people group. That fact doesn't grant them individual salvation, but it means God protects (and disciplines and punishes) them since the world and the heavenly beings know that God chose them. (He also protects and disciplines those that choose Him.) Jesus needed to die to save them just like anyone else, but Jesus' ministry and all that followed were God's plan B for the Jews to bring the good news to everyone.
God prophesied that the Jews, as a God's chosen people group, not as individuals, would turn back to him, and indeed they will. But that doesn't mean all Jewish individuals will be saved. It is a good Bible study to examine the differences in the ways God treats individuals vs. groups of people (such as families, for example). A group of individuals as a community is not the same as those same individuals not in community together.
The Jews are no more rejected than the Gentiles are. What are you saying?The Jews have already ~been dealt with~. They received everything that was promised to them-
Christianity is a continuation of Judaism, not a variant of it.
They rejected ~him~ and now ~he~ rejects them.
The part of the plan that was derailed was the Jews choosing to be Godly, good examples and evangelistic.You say, "...supposed to be..." as if something God set in motion got derailed. Can anyone change what God has planned?
But you are right: one of the things God has done is to use Israel as his example for the Bride of Christ, to see that nothing God has done for his chosen is as a result of her worthiness, and to demonstrate his abiding love and patience.
This is one of the reasons the gall rises in my throat at the hatred of some Christians for the Jews. We Gentiles are no better, and no different.
"You did not choose me, but I chose you..." One that God chooses will inexorably choose God. It is not because of the choice of the believer that he is saved. It is because of God's choice to save, that one believes. The saving faith is God in us.The difference between Jews and Gentiles is that God first chose the Jews. Everyone else was supposed to be chosen through the Jews, but they didn't obey well enough to get to that.
This is actually pretty significant if you look at it this way: Everyone on earth must choose God or they will be be condemned (John 3:18), but God chose the Jews (and they accepted him). As a result God called and calls them "my people." The Jews are special because God associated himself with the Jews and with no other people group, something that the passage of time has not changed. They would have been the original "apostles" of the good news, if they had obeyed. God does not associate himself with any human institution. It is the institution (or individual) who must associate himself with God—except for the Jews as a people group. That fact doesn't grant them individual salvation, but it means God protects (and disciplines and punishes) them since the world and the heavenly beings know that God chose them. (He also protects and disciplines those that choose Him.) Jesus needed to die to save them just like anyone else, but Jesus' ministry and all that followed were God's plan B for the Jews to bring the good news to everyone.
God prophesied that the Jews, as a God's chosen people group, not as individuals, would turn back to him, and indeed they will. But that doesn't mean all Jewish individuals will be saved. It is a good Bible study to examine the differences in the ways God treats individuals vs. groups of people (such as families, for example). A group of individuals as a community is not the same as those same individuals not in community together.
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