How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

Doveaman said:

The sun was not "created" on the 4th day; the sun was "made" on the 4th day.

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I guess someone has already corrected you on this point. I felt like contributing then but the thought you will not listen either way. I also believe you are the only one with that point of view.
please please understand it clearly there is no difference between creation and making.
CREATION : Means MAKING something out of nothing. DO YOU GET IT, I DEAR TO ASK AGAIN, DO YOU GET IT.
The notion MADE OR MAKE simply means it was PRE DESIGNED. GOD PLANNED IT, DESIGNED IT THEN CREATED IT BY MAKING IT AS HE HAD PRE DESIGNED IT .

Please please take a step backward or forward from your preconceived ideas and read this part with an open mind. I PRAY GOD WILL ILLUMINATE YOUR HEART TO SEE THESE POINTS MORE CLEARLY.

Doveaman said:

If the earth took God six days to create, one might expect that it took God many days to create all the other stars and planets in the universe.

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Again here you show that you do not know God . It seems you are equating Man with God. If it took MAN so many days to do something It will take MAN much more days to do something bigger. THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE WITH GOD.
GOD CAN CREATE EVERYTHING IN A MICROSECOND. DO YOU GET THAT?

The beginnng of creation was of the sort " GOD SAID LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE.

What then did God create to accommodate man and for man
1. Heaven and Earth
2. The biggest part of wish is TIME (IN THE BEGINNING: TIME) We don't often notice that if ever at all.
3. God then ORDERED time into days , week, seasons and years.
4. God then FORERUN the time for man to show the pattern of living and the nature of man / the ability he had put in man. Man should work and rest each day (day light and night time) for six days of the week. The seventh day is the day of rest from work but essentially a time to find and worship God. so God HALLOWED THE SEVENTH DAY.
GOD IS NOT CONTROL BY TIME AND HE NEITHER SLEEPS NOR SLUMBERS. THE REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY IS FOR MAN TO LEARN TO REST FROM HIS WORK.

DON'T YOU ENJOY YOUR WEEKENDS? WHO MADE IT THAT WAY?

Doveaman said:

There's a difference between "created" and "made", as I explained here.

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CREATE AND MAKE MEANS THE SAME THING.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us MAKE man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27
So God CREATED man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female CREATED he them.

Genesis 5:2
Male and female CREATED he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were CREATED.

Doveaman said:

The sun was not "created" on the 4th day; the sun was "made" on the 4th day.

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I would strongly suggest again that a certain humility and openness should be required to any thoughts on Genesis/Creation. That reasoned people can arrive at differing thoughts on the various issues related in Genesis 1 inform us that there is no absolute certainty but only opinion involved. The person that would suggest absolute certainty on this is merely fooling themselves, and given more to arrogance than to scholarly authority.

Create (bara) has the implication of creating something new(ex nihilo) and made(asah) has the implication of creating something new from preexisting material (creatio ex materia). I believe "create" is used 3 times in Gen. 1, and "made or making" is used 7 times. As in Genesis 1:11 the meaning of "made" is clear, as parenthetical to the command of "Let the land produce/bring forth vegetation...", "made" is a process by which plants produce seeds/fruit. Plants and fruit trees do not create fruit or seeds, rather through a process "made". Thus the meaning of "made" is defined throughout as its use would relate in Genesis 1.

I believe there are 10 "Let there be..." or "Let the..." statements of command in Genesis 1. It should be noticed that none of these commands contain the word create or made/make.

The use of Gen. 1:26 as stating that create and make are the same fails when one actually gives thought to the narrative. The use of "made" in verse 26 is not an act but an intent to create thus "Let us...", verse 27 is the realized act.

Doveaman wrote:
Vegetation on day three required sunlight to grow.
This indicates that the light on day one was sunlight.
When the land emerged from the water on day three it became exposed to the sunlight from day one, and vegetation began to grow.
The sun then became visible on day four.

This would seem as valid as any explanation or interpretation of "light" on day 3 as it relates to day 4. As day 4 contains no command to create or make but only the parenthetical or explanatory reference that follows the fiat. One can certainly argue against the "visibility" interpretation but it has validity based on the structure of Genesis 1.

Jamsie said:

I would strongly suggest again that a certain humility and openness should be required to any thoughts on Genesis/Creation. That reasoned people can arrive at differing thoughts on the various issues related in Genesis 1 inform us that there is no absolute certainty but only opinion involved. The person that would suggest absolute certainty on this is merely fooling themselves, and given more to arrogance than to scholarly authority.

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You are wrong very wrong. There is no wisdom of man in the interpretation of the words of God. The interpretation of the worDs of God is by the spirit of God and it is onlt ONE INTERPRETATION.
A christian forum is about finding that one true man devoid of the wisdom of men. WORDS OF GOD AND HIS CREATION COMES BEFORE SCIENCE. AFTER GOD SPEAKS SCIENCE OBEYS THE WORD OF GOD.
1 Corinthians 1:10-11 King James Version (KJV)
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 King James Version (KJV)
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

ChristaLife said:

You are wrong very wrong. There is no wisdom of man in the interpretation of the words of God. The interpretation of the worDs of God is by the spirit of God and it is onlt ONE INTERPRETATION.
A christian forum is about finding that one true man devoid of the wisdom of men. WORDS OF GOD AND HIS CREATION COMES BEFORE SCIENCE. AFTER GOD SPEAKS SCIENCE OBEYS THE WORD OF GOD.
1 Corinthians 1:10-11 King James Version (KJV)
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 King James Version (KJV)
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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You have to take into account the sense in which the scriptures are to be interpreted.

ChristaLife said:

You are wrong very wrong. There is no wisdom of man in the interpretation of the words of God. The interpretation of the worDs of God is by the spirit of God and it is onlt ONE INTERPRETATION.

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No, I am afraid you are wrong...very wrong. Your attempt to set yourself apart is simply arrogant, as if nobody else approaches the study of God's word with a prayerful heart and mind. You might consider actually studying Genesis 1, you might consider using the reason that God endowed to us, and you might consider it is not for anyone to know God from "beginning to end".

I would suggest that in addition to a prayerful lucubration of Genesis, you might give thoughtful reflection to Romans 12:3.

Jamsie said:

No, I am afraid you are wrong...very wrong. Your attempt to set yourself apart is simply arrogant, as if nobody else approaches the study of God's word with a prayerful heart and mind. You might consider actually studying Genesis 1, you might consider using the reason that God endowed to us, and you might consider it is not for anyone to know God from "beginning to end".

I would suggest that in addition to a prayerful lucubration of Genesis, you might give thoughtful reflection to Romans 12:3.

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Not arrogant far from it. You have made yourself hard to teach and you have been using science and other people's writing for your interpretation. Its almost llike you are preaching another gospel.
Galatians 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

In such instances you are allowed to be harsh just that peradventure you can gain the person's senses.
1 Timothy 1:18-20 King James Version (KJV)
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

You must first accept the words of God as a little child knowing that God is absolutely right. DON'T EVER START WITH HUMAN LOGICS OR SCIENCE OR OTHER WRITING.
After you come to him he will give you of his spirit to help you then you can ask him any question. BELIEVE YOU ME HE WILL ANSWER AND HE WILL ILLUMINATE YOUR HEART . THA IS WHAT I DO EVEN THOUGH I AM A SCIENTIST WITH ADDED HONOUR IN LAW.

ChristaLife said:

Not arrogant far from it. You have made yourself hard to teach and you have been using science and other people's writing for your interpretation. Its almost llike you are preaching another gospel.

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Yes, arrogant because you without proper exegesis claim you are the sole interpreter of scripture. You dismiss scholars who have spent a lifetime studying Hebrew, Greek, ANE, the Bible, etc.as if such education is unwarranted. You make ridiculous assertions regarding me being "hard to teach" when you have absolutely no idea how many books, articles, and Bible study has been involved...yes, quite arrogant on your part. Further you are unable to comprehend the distinction between God's endowment to us as being both mental and spirit. (And it should be noted that without logic and reason you could not understand a word of anything that you read, Bible included) You somehow believe that reading the Bible as if it were an elementary school reading primer constitutes proper exegesis...it does not.

Rather then make these bald assertions you might simply attempt to point out where a) I have not explained based on the scripture, b) where scripture/words are being misrepresented, and c) Where I started with human logic- which you seem to confuse with the endowments God has given us, d)why your aversion to science...which you must admit is a bit silly considering how one communicates on a computer/internet -In addition to germs, diseases, DNA, mutations, fossils, evolution, atoms, nuclear fission, uranium, carbon 14, plate tectonics, chemistry, the scientific method, galaxies, dark matter, energy, gravity, etc., etc.-, and d) your disregarding Romans 1:20, Psalm 8:3, etc..

If you choose to simply respond with You're ignorant or You're wrong or you're hard to teach, then it will be obvious that your replies have little merit, little substance, and little scriptural basis but simply a rant of unsupported arrogance.

Again, I would note that you fail to comprehend that the scriptures you use to denigrate "reason and logic" fail, as you seem to not understand what the passages are saying. Read through them again and perhaps you will understand...clue "...preach any other gospel..."

Stringfellow_Hawke said:

This is something that I have struggled with. While I haven't really had a hard time grasping the literal 6 day creation, I have a hard time discussing it with skeptics. Then there are other Believers who believe the old earth theory. I don't believe its an essential but I would really like to have a firm stance on one or the other. I've drifted from the traditional pre-trib rapture teaching of my IFB upbringing as well but that is another subject entirely.

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Try this. Hold out your hand and imagine a living, breathing, sentient being appearing. Then do it for every breed of animal on the earth. Then make water appear out of nothing in a moment. When the water has dribbled through your fingers and filled the earth from one end to the other then create the law of thermodynamics and make some space (any space, all space). Top it off with the creation of time and if you can imagine that YOU did even one of those things, then know that the God of this universe did so with His hand and if He did those things, any ONE of those things and ALL of those things, guess what. Doing it all or even doing any one thing of the creation miracles in 6 days was nothing for Him.

Doveaman said:

"Heavens" may also refer to the earth's atmosphere with its many layers.

The many layers of the earth's atmosphere can also be called the "heavens".

In the beginning God created the planet's atmosphere (heavens) and the planet's surface (earth).

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Looks like I'm late to the party. Oh well... better late than never.

You are on the right track OP.

The word Heaven in Genesis 1:1 truly is singular.

Because of this, One must interpret the Creation Account accordingly.

God created only ONE of the Three Heavens in the first verse of Genesis.

Long story short... the Third Dimension didn't even exist at that point.

The entire Universe existed in a Two Dimensional Plane called 'The Face of the Deep'.

This Plane is also called 'Waters'. It is NOT Earth's ocean.

There is another Dimensional Plane called the Sea of Glass. Again... Waters, but not an ocean like we typically understand.

Everyone here is barking up the wrong Tree.

Our Universe, as we now know it, didn't exist until Adam and Eve partook of the Forbidden Fruit.

Their 'Eyes were opened' which caused the Wave Function to collapse of the reality they were in.

Scientists call that the Big Bang.

IT from BIT.

Look that up.

Anyhow... I'm sure this will all be mocked.

Wake me up when you folks want to talk serious.

Later.

Oh and by the way...

The Three Heavens have been interpreted falsely which has led everyone astray.

Our Atmosphere and Outer Space are only ONE of the Three Heavens. Nowhere in Scripture are they separated!

God of course exists in another Heaven, which leaves one very important Heaven that has been completely censored from every Christian Doctrine known to Man.

Yes... censored. For it is Truly the KEY to understanding all of this.

Again, if anyone wants to talk serious, let me know, otherwise carry on...