How can anyone like Calvinism?

[BibleBeliever1611]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

 

[friend of]

The biggest thing in my mind about Calvinism is God's absolute unwavering sovereignty. Which I am slowly coming around to accepting. If God is not completely Sovereign over all His creation, then how can we call Him God?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

It was a very british kind of thing to believe, back in the day.

As the post colonial era drags on, some will cling to old constructs - because they cannot take hold of what is now or even what is new.

 

[Dustoff]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

With a post like that it is difficult to take you seriously brother.

 

[Carl Emerson]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

We aren't comfortable with Racism.

We aren't comfortable with Sexism.

Why do we tolerate Theologism.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

Calvinism always provokes an emotional response. Calvinism has struggled with its extream form causing some walking back on the Tulip doctrine which, by the way ,was not actually taught by Augustine let alone Calvin. Anyway, in my humble opinion, the TULIP doctrine brought error into the Reformation. Not sure who. Blessings

 

[MaxPower]

The biggest thing in my mind about Calvinism is God's absolute unwavering sovereignty. Which I am slowly coming around to accepting. If God is not completely Sovereign over all His creation, then how can we call Him God?

God can be completely sovereign and still give you the choice, As an example = React to His Love, The biggest thing I find about Calvinism is it tries to redefine The Love of God and the Grace of God, He is God because he is the almighty, the most high, our choices don't affect that

 

[BibleBeliever1611]

Calvinism always provokes an emotional response. Calvinism has struggled with its extream form causing some walking back on the Tulip doctrine which, by the way ,was not actually taught by Augustine let alone Calvin. Anyway, in my humble opinion, the TULIP doctrine brought error into the Reformation. Not sure who. Blessings

Well, Christianity is an emotional religion. What about the time when Jesus called some people "serpents"? If you consider the fact that serpent is the Devil, that's literally the worst possible insult. Or what about the time when Jesus wept? There's nothing wrong about emotions.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Well, Christianity is an emotional religion. What about the time when Jesus called some people "serpents"? If you consider the fact that serpent is the Devil, that's literally the worst possible insult. Or what about the time when Jesus wept? There's nothing wrong about emotions.

The emotion is disdain. Not suitable when building the Kingdom for God.
Blessings

 

[friend of]

God can be completely sovereign and still give you the choice, As an example = React to His Love, The biggest thing I find about Calvinism is it tries to redefine The Love of God and the Grace of God, He is God because he is the almighty, the most high, our choices don't affect that

Yes God permits our choices. But ultimately, His grand designs will be fulfilled regardless. This is what makes Him truly Sovereign

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Calvinism is evil. In fact Calvinism even implies that God created evil. It stands in direct contrast to any number of scriptures stating "anyone who comes to me I will never cast out." Or "God desires all to come to repentance." They misinterpret some passages like Romans 9 and now all the sudden theyve created God in their image. And God can still be sovereign and allow people to decide to follow Him. Scripture from front to back says choose whom you will follow, and God wants us to say as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

 

[MaxPower]

Yes God permits our choices. But ultimately, His grand designs will be fulfilled regardless. This is what makes Him truly Sovereign

I agree But only according to his person, his kingdom etc unless we could alter that.....which we can't...as an example, the devil wants to make God a liar because then God wouldn't be the truth, it tries for 6000 years and has nothing on God, cant effect his Sovereignty no matter how hard they try

It's the truth That God Sent his son into the world that whosoever believes, That whosoever is available to anyone that comes its an offer, People have a choice people have a chance to react to the Gospel, Calvinism denies the offer of reconciliation to anyone or whoever comes

God gave his Love to the world, People's choices don't change that, If People hear the Gospel and believe it God gifts them with the Salvation it doesn't Change Gods sovereignty when they accept the gift he has freely offered to anyone that comes to the Cross of Jesus For salvation, Whether we believe it or not Doesn't change Gods Sovereignty

 

[Landon Caeli]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

My favorite aspect of Christianity is the forgiveness of sins, which mirrors upon us, when we forgive others who have sinned against us.

...So I see what you're saying, when you mention being saved, because forgiveness is kind of linked to that.

 

[Clare73]

Calvinism always provokes an emotional response. Calvinism has struggled with its extream form causing some walking back on the Tulip doctrine which, by the way ,was not actually taught by Augustine let alone Calvin. Anyway, in my humble opinion, the TULIP doctrine brought error into the Reformation. Not sure who. Blessings

So we can't blame Calvin for TULIP?

Most revealing. . .it's someone else's construct of what he is saying.

I suspect the TULIP acronym is close to what he states, but it is the misunderstanding of TULIP that is so off the mark and, therefore, folks are flailing at a strawman.

It wouldn't be the first time such an event occurred.

 

[Halbhh]

The biggest thing in my mind about Calvinism is God's absolute unwavering sovereignty. Which I am slowly coming around to accepting. If God is not completely Sovereign over all His creation, then how can we call Him God?

God is absolutely sovereign.

And certainly regardless of Calvinism or any other doctrine for that matter! (one popular version of Calvinism is shown mistaken by Matthew chapter 7 for example).

(Just useful to know, the very good teacher R. C. Sproul did not embrace double predestination, the particular erroneous version of Calvinism).

 

[Clare73]

God is absolutely sovereign.

And certainly regardless of Calvinism or any other doctrine for that matter! (one popular version of Calvinism is shown mistaken by Matthew chapter 7 for example).
(Just useful to know, the very good teacher
R. C. Sproul did not embrace double predestination, the particular erroneous version of Calvinism).

Did Calvin embrace double predestination?

 

[Ligurian]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

Good thread.

But... the truly "chosen" are tested.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Matthew 24:4-5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.[5] For many shall come in My name, saying, I am (χριστος) anointed, and shall deceive many.KJV

Matthew 24:24-25 For false christs and false prophets shall arise and shall give great signs and miracles so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.[25] Behold I described to you beforehand.(ABP)

Because "election" itself is a process... called, chosen... faithful.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison that ye may be tested, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life. ...[13] I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is. And thou holdest fast My name and hast not denied My faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was My faithful martyr who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Revelation 11:3-6 And [I will] give MY two witnesses and [they shall] prophesy [a] thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed [in] sackcloth. ...[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called and chosen and faithful.

 

[Jonaitis]

How can anyone in their mind like the doctrine of Calvinism?

How can you not? It magnifies the redemptive work of all three members of the Godhead. It is the Father that elects, the Son that suffers and the Spirit that draws. It is a system flowing out from his eternal decree.

One time, thinking about the fact that Jesus actually died for every single person on earth almost made me burst into tears. Thinking about the fact that no-one would have to go to hell. But then Calvinism feels really depressing when it says that God chose some special people who are only allowed to be saved for some mysterious reason. Like being part of some special group of special people, and I absolutely hate that and it disgusts me. But thank God, it's not even true anyway according to the Bible.

If Christ died for every sinner, then there would be no Hell for anyone on earth. God does not play double-jeopardy, and Christ's atonement is always efficacious, never failing to accomplish what it was intended. Christ is not some beggar asking people to accept him, hoping that his death was not in vain. Nay, Christ does not offer, but demands as a command that all people everywhere must repent. However, unless God changes the heart of stone into a heart of flesh by the independent work of the Holy Spirit under the faithful preaching of the Gospel, then no one will heed this command and their sins will not be atoned.

I wonder how the Calvinist would feel if every person on the entire earth was a saved born-again Christian. Maybe he wouldn't feel so special about himself.

They would be elated.

 

[Jonaitis]

(Just useful to know, the very good teacher R. C. Sproul did not embrace double predestination, the particular erroneous version of Calvinism).

What is erroneous about double-predestination?

 

[Jonaitis]

The biggest thing in my mind about Calvinism is God's absolute unwavering sovereignty. Which I am slowly coming around to accepting. If God is not completely Sovereign over all His creation, then how can we call Him God?

Yes! If God is not sovereign, we have no hope to be saved by him through our own motivation and efforts. We cannot, and we would not, want to come to God. Doesn't Paul discuss this in Romans 3:10-18, quoting the Psalms, that no one seeks for God? Salvation belongs to the Lord!