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Notice the times we get evol statements about "you are lying" or "creationists are stupid" etc?? This constant resort to the Rev 12 principle of ad hominem accusation is stock-and-trade evolutionism.
Which has nothing to do with the question you asked. You asked if we needed the sun for a human to grow from a zygote to an adult.And yet the real answer is - no. We have science today that proves that entropy is "observed to increase" in the lab -- with every reaction when the reaction and its immediate environment is taken into account for observing that increase.
Why not?
does anyone in the "real world" argue that from conception to adulthood we have such a "VAST descrease in entropy" (to quote Asimov on another story) that we need to "appeal to the SUN" to make the chemical equations balance with entropy taken into consideration??
Seriously - that is where evolutionism wants to fall on its sword??
I think it's more likely that you really don't understand the laws of thermodynamics.
Let's try one of your own fellow evolutionist's posts as an 'example' of 'why not'.
"actual science" tells us that in EVERY reaction if you take the immediate environment and all the reactants - entropy always increases. This is true with ice melting and it is true with ice freezing."
No need to insert "fusion reaction on the sun - goes HERE" into the equations in "real science" -- but in "junk science" that sort of thing is needed all day long to get those piles of dust to turn into rabbits.
The seed of a plant, the zygote of a human are like matter transforming engines - designed to organize matter around them into the life form that they were created and designed to build. Each step in that transformation obeys the 2nd law of thermodynamics - but the reason the outcome is going to higher orders of complexity from the raw-materials in the environment is classic intelligent design.
Just as a human can build a super computer from raw materials in the earth using intelligent design. And yet each step of that process obeys the 2nd LOT.
So then 2LOT as Asimov presents it - tells us that the raw materials do not ever "self organize" into such a super computer - but also tells us that a human can build one as long as every step conforms to the 2LOT.
And yet the real answer is - no. We have science today that proves that entropy is "observed to increase" in the lab -- with every reaction when the reaction and its immediate environment is taken into account for observing that increase.
This where Paul of Eugene quotes Asimov affirming that very "detail".
But a zygote - DESIGNED to do just that - can do it - and increasing entropy at every stage.
Which has nothing to do with the question you asked. You asked if we needed the sun for a human to grow from a zygote to an adult.
Isaac Asimov characterized evolution as an increase in entropy. I have the book on my shelf where he says that.
Merely living causes entropy to increase. So a vast history of living things means a vast history of increased entropy, regardless that living species increase in the amount of organization and complexity.
Nothing in thermodynamics prohibits an increase in order and organization as long as there is a greater increase in disorder that is made to happen somewhere else. In the case of earth, gobs and gobs of entropy is created and exported via infrared radiation into outer space.
But...as loudmouth explained to you, it DOESN'T increase entropy at every stage.
As stated already - every reaction at every stage exhibits an increase in entropy rather than a decrease in entropy as long as the immediate surroundings (not something 93 million miles away) are taken into account.
So then - for a simple example - water freezing.
- Freezing is an exothermic process; where energy is lost from the water and dissipated to the surroundings.
- Therefore, as the surroundings get hotter, they are gaining more energy and thus the entropy of the surroundings is increasing at the same time that the entropy of the water is decreasing. The net is a “net increase” in entropy which means that if you redirect the heat in the surroundings back to the water it will melt again but each such reaction results in less-and-less usable heat to revert back and reverse the process. Like the force of gravity for objects on earth – it is always there no matter if the object is at rest or is being thrown through the air.
So now back to Asimov's "confession" about the non-science of blind faith evolutionism when it comes to "entropy".
Asimov's observation about the billions of years taking dust and gas through the mythical "self-organizing steps" of blind faith evolutionism until it reaches the state of "a human brain" - is that this is a 'VAST DECREASE" in entropy over billions of years of time - compensated ONLY -- by fusion reactions on the Sun!! What non-science! What ... "junk science"
So, it appears your strategy is to ignore responses to you, then repeat your faulty arguments, and hope that makes them true.
A SYSTEM exhibits an increase in entropy. That doesn't mean that every PART of a system does. The growth of a zygote to infant is PART of a system (which includes the sun) which exhibits a decrease in entropy.
A SYSTEM exhibits an increase in entropy. That doesn't mean that every PART of a system does. The growth of a zygote to infant is PART of a system (which includes the sun) which exhibits a decrease in entropy.
But...as loudmouth explained to you, it DOESN'T increase entropy at every stage.
Where the "nonscience" comes in from the junk-science religion of evolutionism is the fiction that ice freezing requires a nuclear fusion reaction with helium-3 or Deuterium to show any sort of increase in entropy.
Such fiction are ok for fairy tales
An interesting situation way out there in outer space is that the entropy in an average square light year of space is getting less.
every reaction exhibits and increase in entropy when the local environment it taken into account - at every stage.
The point remains.
That is the difference between actual observed science - and junk science religion such as blind-faith-evolutionism.
I asked if you needed fusion reactions on the sun - to be inserted into reactions seen on earth - before those reactions demonstrate an increase in entropy. And the answer to that question is ... "no".
This where Paul of Eugene quotes Asimov affirming that very "detail".
You seem enjoy Asimov quotes so here's an apt one for you from the article I linked (which I doubt you even looked at).
Creationists have learned enough scientific terminology to use it in their attempts ...
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