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How an Evangelical Creationist Accepted Evolution

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You name one proof of evolution, then I would give you a number of related questions abut evolution which you would not be able to answer. Then let's count the ratio of answered/unanswered questions about evolution.

Fair game?
No, ridiculous.

To compare, one can not get a similar result in other better supported scientific theories.
Of course you could. I could ask you where every single pebble in my backyard came from and how it got there. That's many thousands of questions, and you couldn't answer a single one of them. Where did you get the idea that this was a way to judge scientific theories?

Here's a better game, an actual scientific game: give me a theory that predicts genetic data better than evolution. Until you do that, there's no point in playing.
 
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No, I am making reasonable deductions based upon what I know of bacteria and what the article says.

Big difference.
No, you're not making deductions. You're drawing inferences. Said inferences are not supported by the article in question. The data are not sufficient to support your inferences. You may be right. You may be wrong.
 
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Since my position is agnosticism, I disagree with your argument. In fact, I classify your argument as an argument from ignorance, which is a formal logical fallacy.

3) Natural selection is not a tautology. It's a description of the behavior of some genetic systems some of the time.
If natural selection describes the behavior of some genetic systems some of the time, then you are saying that it does not correctly describe the behavior of all genetic systems all of the time. If so, you are saying that the theory has been experimentally falsified.
 
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It says that more than one mechanism causes changes to the gene pool of population. It doesn't falsify it.

You might as well claim that we can disprove erosion as a process in geology by pointing to regions where sediments are being deposited.
 
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Since my position is agnosticism, I disagree with your argument.
I don't care what your position is. You've still failed to introduce anything new by pointing out that theories are underdetermined.

In fact, I classify your argument as an argument from ignorance, which is a formal logical fallacy.
I would classify your understanding of logical fallacies as imperfect at best.

I agree, the theory that all genetic systems are always correctly described by natural selection is experimentally falsified. Why you would want to falsify a theory that no one is proposing I don't know, nor why you're introducing this novel theory into a discussion of evolutionary biology, but to each his own.
 
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No, you're not making deductions. You're drawing inferences. Said inferences are not supported by the article in question. The data are not sufficient to support your inferences. You may be right. You may be wrong.
Once again, I did not base my inferences upon the only the article. My inferences do not need to be totally based upon the article.
 
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Oh. Okay. So you're lying about the theory of evolution to make it sound bad? Isn't there a commandment about that?

It is a more than reasonable number. I was very generous. It should be less than 10%.
 
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I can write a research paper based on that question. But you can not do the similar to an arbitrary evolution question. Evolution is a much much harder science. There is no theory about it (there ARE speculations). All you people are doing is trying to describe what you observed.

You are not fair. I do not know genetics. You do. But I certainly can ask layman questions about genetics. And I estimate that you can not answer most of them. You can do the similar to me by asking me any geology questions and see how would I respond.
 
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I can write a research paper based on that question.

What would your methods and materials section look like?


What about the questions we do have answers for?
 
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The big bang theory is the most popular origination of the universe by those who believe in evolution. However, the BBT only accounts for the origination of light and space time.
It also accounts for the cosmic abundances of deuterium, helium-3 and helium-4, and lithium. The big bang theory was used (in 1948) to predict the existence of the cosmic microwave background, which was discovered in 1965.

However it gives no explanation for 3 dimensional space and time prior to the existence of light!
Where did you get this from?

According to Hawking 3D space always was and always will be (kinda sounds like God to me).
Can you give a direct quote or a link, please?
 
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That assertion makes zero sense.

That happens a lot when you chop off half the explanation.

A. Please provide us with a definition of "kind" that has both explanatory and predictive power.
B. Please provide us with evidence of this supposed barrier.

A. Kind is a group of animals that came down from one
basic ancestor.
For example, dogs and wolves are all of one kind. It does
not matter whether they can -still- procreate with others
of the same kind. Ring species are still part of a kind.

B. Every plant and animal existing today.
Plant anything and come up with another plant and
you falsify kinds. Altering the genes does not count.
 
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