How a Traffic Stop goes is dictated inside the first 45 words....

[rambot]

For black folks according to this study...... Fascinating stuff REALLY.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/29/1178...-first-45-words-are-a-portent-of-whats-to-com

"It's not really a function of a few officers driving this pattern," says Rho.

The words or actions of the person behind the wheel of the car didn't seem to contribute to escalation.

"The drivers are just answering the officers' questions and explaining what's going on," says Eberhardt. "They're cooperative."

What this makes fascinating is that (surprise, surprise) it is the action of the cops that dictates how these situations go. And it makes COMPLETE sense: If the FIRST thing the police tells you is a command instead of a reason for interacting with you at all. The cop is the person with power who gets to dictate the flow and direction of the conversation. That this "flow and direction" is established RIGHT at the start of the interaction is just common sense.

Direct link to the study:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2216162120

This just in America: The first step to creating a better police for is....The findings reported here not only inform approaches to de-escalation but also demonstrate the power and promise of systematic footage review more broadly. To improve police–community interactions, we could start by examining them.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The racial disparities are certainly a problem worth examining...

I wonder if part of what puts some cops on edge (that we don't observe in other countries) is the fact that they're contending with a heavily armed population.

If a cop pulls over a car in certain states, it's a very real possibility that if they're walking up to a car with 3 people in it, they could be walking into a situation where they're outgunned 3 guns to 1, and depending on the state, there's a good chance that 1 or more of those armed people may have not have been vetted all that well. Which isn't really as much of a concern for police officers in places like Canada or Finland for example.

I've looked for the data before (but haven't had luck tracking down a reliable authoritative set of numbers), but I've often wonder if the rates of PTSD among American police officers differ a lot of police officers in other first-world countries.

 

[rambot]

The racial disparities are certainly a problem worth examining...

I wonder if part of what puts some cops on edge (that we don't observe in other countries) is the fact that they're contending with a heavily armed population.

If a cop pulls over a car in certain states, it's a very real possibility that if they're walking up to a car with 3 people in it, they could be walking into a situation where they're outgunned 3 guns to 1, and depending on the state, there's a good chance that 1 or more of those armed people may have not have been vetted all that well. Which isn't really as much of a concern for police officers in places like Canada or Finland for example.

I've looked for the data before (but haven't had luck tracking down a reliable authoritative set of numbers), but I've often wonder if the rates of PTSD among American police officers differ a lot of police officers in other first-world countries.

NOTE:
I linked to the study that addresses some of this at least a little.
The simple fact is though, the cop controls the situation and they have the ability to manage it so a traffic stop is a traffic stop.

I would think that if there is a place in America where toxic masculinity is almost guaranteed to be a REAL thing, I would absolutely guess it would be in the police force. I have NO DOUBT that American police officers are under supported with their mental health. 100%.



Our of curiousity, white folks in the US, have you EVER interacted with cops at a traffic stop and the FIRST thing they say is directive "hands on the wheel" or something to that affect.

I've interacted for sure a dozen times...never ONCE directed to put my hands on a wheel.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Our of curiousity, white folks in the US, have you EVER interacted with cops at a traffic stop and the FIRST thing they say is directive "hands on the wheel" or something to that affect.

I've interacted for sure a dozen times...never ONCE directed to put my hands on a wheel.

I've heard that request a few times...but it's a little different.

I have a conceal carry permit so cops already know there's a good chance I have a firearm on me when they approach the vehicle after running my plates.

Granted, I've only been pulled over a few times in the past 10 years, the other interactions were at DUI checkpoints that are pretty common down here back when my job had me driving to datacenters for certain things late on Friday nights.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I was pulled over a few weeks ago. I let the speed creep up to about 70 in a 55. I saw the blue lights start rolling and I glanced down as saw I was around 70.
As the officer walked up, He said "how are you today. I immediate said "You are absolutely right sir, let it creep up and was speediing."
He responded "Thank you for that, and if I can see you license we will get you along your way..."
He gave me a warning.
I wonder what would happened if I had shown anger and was confrontational?

 

[Gene2memE]

I wonder what would happened if I had shown anger and was confrontational?

I wonder what would have happened if you were male, black or latino and under 24?

 

[Landon Caeli]

This one black guy I know, he said he got pulled over once, and the cop walked up to his window and just punched him in the face, and then turned around and left. Didn't even say a single word.

I told him that I thought that was racist.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I wonder what would have happened if you were male, black or latino and under 24?

What do you think? And why do you suppose that is?

 

[rambot]

I've heard that request a few times...but it's a little different.

I have a conceal carry permit so cops already know there's a good chance I have a firearm on me when they approach the vehicle after running my plates.

Granted, I've only been pulled over a few times in the past 10 years, the other interactions were at DUI checkpoints that are pretty common down here back when my job had me driving to datacenters for certain things late on Friday nights.

Would it make you feel uncomfortable to be without your gun if you were to visit, say Alberta?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Would it make you feel uncomfortable to be without your gun if you were to visit, say Alberta?

I'm not terribly familiar with Alberta or their crime rates, although, it's not even an option up there in Canada.

I go to the family cabin up in Ontario a few times a year and haven't felt unsafe in anyway on the parts of Canada I go through to get there. Granted, about the closest thing to a major city I pass through on the way there is the outer edges of Hamilton and Oshawa and it's just highway driving...I avoid taking the 401 through Toronto, however that's just due to traffic reasons.


(Having to get off the highway and drive through Buffalo on the way there last year when they had i90/i190 interchange closed was another story)

 

[rambot]

I was pulled over a few weeks ago. I let the speed creep up to about 70 in a 55. I saw the blue lights start rolling and I glanced down as saw I was around 70.
As the officer walked up, He said "how are you today. I immediate said "You are absolutely right sir, let it creep up and was speediing."
He responded "Thank you for that, and if I can see you license we will get you along your way..."
He gave me a warning.
I wonder what would happened if I had shown anger and was confrontational?

I wonder what would happen if you felt the baggage that young black men have in interacting with the police?

This study is about what creates "anger and confrontation" and it notes specific messaging that tends to amplify interactions with police officers.

 

[rambot]

This one black guy I know, he said he got pulled over once, and the cop walked up to his window and just punched him in the face, and then turned around and left. Didn't even say a single word.

I told him that I thought that was racist.

Ok. That's...intense.

Any thoughts on this study?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I wonder what would happen if you felt the baggage that young black men have in interacting with the police?

This study is about what creates "anger and confrontation" and it notes specific messaging that tends to amplify interactions with police officers.

What baggage and why would there be baggage? What would cause it?

 

[rambot]

What baggage and why would there be baggage? What would cause it?

I have a hard time believing that people would ask the "what baggage and why would there be baggage?" question if they wanted a "good faith" discussion.

The topic has been broached...DOZENS of times all over the place.

And what would cause it? Well, apparently, the police.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I have a hard time believing that people would ask the "what baggage and why would there be baggage?" question if they wanted a "good faith" discussion.

The topic has been broached...DOZENS of times all over the place.

And what would cause it? Well, apparently, the police.

So that is it. Just the police?
Ok!

 

[rambot]

So that is it. Just the police?
Ok!

Did you read the OP or the study in the OP? The subject of the thread and stuff?