Hormonal Homosexuality?

[Christdiedforme]

This is my thought and opinion based simply on observation:


I have noticed that a great majority of homosexual men tend to exhibit more feminine traits and mannerisms. Their voices tend to be less deep, they tend to move their hands in the manner women do, and their facial features tend to be more delicate. Of course, this is not true for all homosexual men but for a lot of them.

For homosexual women, I have noticed that some of them tend to be more stocky, dressing in "man" clothes, have a deeper voice, exhibit more of a manly walk, and have shorter hair.

Now, I am not trying to generalize but I was thinking that perhaps both homosexual men and women were exposed to a greater number of estrogen/testosterone in the womb and exhibited these so called "homosexual traits."

Would it be safe to suggest that perhaps hormones do play a role in homosexuality?

Has anyone observed the same thing?

 

[DMagoh]

This is my thought and opinion based simply on observation:


I have noticed that a great majority of homosexual men tend to exhibit more feminine traits and mannerisms. Their voices tend to be less deep, they tend to move their hands in the manner women do, and their facial features tend to be more delicate. Of course, this is not true for all homosexual men but for a lot of them.

For homosexual women, I have noticed that some of them tend to be more stocky, dressing in "man" clothes, have a deeper voice, exhibit more of a manly walk, and have shorter hair.

Now, I am not trying to generalize but I was thinking that perhaps both homosexual men and women were exposed to a greater number of estrogen/testosterone in the womb and exhibited these so called "homosexual traits."

Would it be safe to suggest that perhaps hormones do play a role in homosexuality?

Has anyone observed the same thing?

At a young age, boys that develop same sex desires typically viewed themselves negatively when comparing themselves to peers as they were growing up. These boys will begin to greatly admire, even idolize, those males they see as being "real men". This trait is more prevelant than any other trait of homosexual men - that when they were growing up, they viewed themselves as less than their peers.


Studies now show that it wasnt the abusive father or sexual abuse or feminine characteristics that "make" a person have same sex desires - it's how you viewed yourself in comparison to peers. And it just so happens, that boys that were abused by fathers, or sexually abused, or feminine acting, or with more sensitive feelings, tended to feel this way about themselves compared to peers more than most boys.

As adults, gay men can become very self-assured and confident - but it doesnt matter how you feel and think about yourself as an adult; what causes same sex desires is how you compared yourself to peers at a very young age growing up.

 

[mdaniel]

I'm sure there is a combination of nature and nuture involved. There isn't any one reason..

And yes, of course some gay men are femmie and some gay women are butch.

 

[MrPirate]

This is my thought and opinion based simply on observation:


I have noticed that a great majority of homosexual men tend to exhibit more feminine traits and mannerisms. Their voices tend to be less deep, they tend to move their hands in the manner women do, and their facial features tend to be more delicate. Of course, this is not true for all homosexual men but for a lot of them.

For homosexual women, I have noticed that some of them tend to be more stocky, dressing in "man" clothes, have a deeper voice, exhibit more of a manly walk, and have shorter hair.

Now, I am not trying to generalize but I was thinking that perhaps both homosexual men and women were exposed to a greater number of estrogen/testosterone in the womb and exhibited these so called "homosexual traits."

Would it be safe to suggest that perhaps hormones do play a role in homosexuality?

Has anyone observed the same thing?

You obviously don’t know a lot of homosexuals


Sort of playing up a stereo type here aren’t you.

Would you say “I’ve noticed a great majority of black people have rhythm”?
I hope not.


As to the “observation”
When you see a man you associate with the gay stereotype do you just assume he is homosexual? Or do you go ask? When you see a hyper masculine man, do you just assume he is heterosexual? Or do you go ask?




The hormone theory was tossed into the garbage can decades ago.

AA Ehrhardt, HFL Meyer-Bahlburg, LR Rosen, JF Sexual Orientation after prenatal exposure to exogenous estrogen- Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1985
HFL Meyer-Bahlbug. Sex hormones and male homosexuality Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1979
HFL Meyer-Bahlbug. Sex hormones and female homosexuality Archives of Sexual Behavior, 1979
B Risman, P Schwartz SOciolgicla Research on Male and Female Homosexuality Annual Review of Sociology, 1988
AA Ehrhardt, HFL Meyer-Bahlburg. Prenatal Sex Hormones and the Developing Brain: Effects on Psychosocial Differentiation Annual Review of Medicine, 1979
D Kimura Sex, Sexual Orientation and Sex Hormones Neurobiology, 1996

All concluded a negative link between hormones and sexual orientation

 

[MrPirate]

At a young age, boys that develop same sex desires typically viewed themselves negatively when comparing themselves to peers as they were growing up. These boys will begin to greatly admire, even idolize, those males they see as being "real men". This trait is more prevelant than any other trait of homosexual men - that when they were growing up, they viewed themselves as less than their peers.


Studies now show that it wasnt the abusive father or sexual abuse or feminine characteristics that "make" a person have same sex desires - it's how you viewed yourself in comparison to peers. And it just so happens, that boys that were abused by fathers, or sexually abused, or feminine acting, or with more sensitive feelings, tended to feel this way about themselves compared to peers more than most boys.

As adults, gay men can become very self-assured and confident - but it doesnt matter how you feel and think about yourself as an adult; what causes same sex desires is how you compared yourself to peers at a very young age growing up.

Can you back up these claims and can you name these “studies”

Or are they more garbage from NARTH?

 

[DMagoh]

Can you back up these claims and can you name these “studies”

Or are they more garbage from NARTH?

Yeah I have a book that is really good, written by a German psychologist. I'll have to dig it out and give you the title. It really hit home to me about the comparing yourself to peers. You may not have read some of my earlier posts, but I dealt with same sex attractions earlier in my life, and a lot of what this psychologists said really hit the mark with me.

I never was the "stereotype" and what people always assumed. I wasnt feminine, I wasnt abused by my father, my father didnt desert the family, my mother was dominant or overbearing, I wasnt sexually abused, etc. But I DID feel inferior to my peers growing up. I dont anymore, but like I said, what makes you develop these attractions is how you felt THEN.

Those other things tend to make one feel inferior so that is why a lot of homosexuals have stuff like that in their past, but it's not what causes same sex attraction. It's your perception of yourself compared to peers.

 

[calvins96]

Yeah I have a book that is really good, written by a German psychologist. I'll have to dig it out and give you the title. It really hit home to me about the comparing yourself to peers. You may not have read some of my earlier posts, but I dealt with same sex attractions earlier in my life, and a lot of what this psychologists said really hit the mark with me.

I never was the "stereotype" and what people always assumed. I wasnt feminine, I wasnt abused by my father, my father didnt desert the family, my mother was dominant or overbearing, I wasnt sexually abused, etc. But I DID feel inferior to my peers growing up. I dont anymore, but like I said, what makes you develop these attractions is how you felt THEN.

Those other things tend to make one feel inferior so that is why a lot of homosexuals have stuff like that in their past, but it's not what causes same sex attraction. It's your perception of yourself compared to peers.

I can agree with this to a point. I think perhaps self preception comes into play as the "nature" part of the equation. However, it is more than just that b/c there would be a lot more gay people if it was entirely up to your peception of self. If you look hard enough, of course you will find something in everyone's life to answer the excuse as to why someone is gay. Can't people just accept the fact that it's just the way people are without making such a huge subject out of it? If it weren't for some religious groups, there would be no issue at all, b/c no one is out to change a person. There has got be something to the fact that NO AMA association, and there are over 500K support nor agree that sexual orientation can change, other than someone fooling themselves. There are so many things in life that need to be fixed, and yet complete strangers want to talk about changing someones sexual orientation. It makes zero sense...and I wish we were all better than that.

 

[mdaniel]

Would you say “I’ve noticed a great majority of black people have rhythm”?

Yes, especially among homosexual black men.

 

[DMagoh]

I can agree with this to a point. I think perhaps self preception comes into play as the "nature" part of the equation. However, it is more than just that b/c there would be a lot more gay people if it was entirely up to your peception of self...

People handle their perception of themselves differently. For instance, my father-in-law is insecure, but he handles his insecurities by "being better than everyone else", and "never being wrong" (even when he is), and putting others down to make himself look better. In other words, a false cockiness.

It's not just the perception of oneself when you are growing up, it's also how you handle that perception. If you handle it by greatly admiring and idolizing your peer males you wish you were like, you develop same sex attractions.

 

[DMagoh]

Would you say “I’ve noticed a great majority of black people have rhythm”?
I hope not.

Would you say "I've noticed a great majority of white people can't jump"? I hope not.

Yes, especially among homosexual black men.
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You are so bad.

 

[calvins96]

Would you say "I've noticed a great majority of white people can't jump"? I hope not.




You are so bad.

ROTFL...good one!!

 

[MrPirate]

At a young age, boys that develop same sex desires typically viewed themselves negatively when comparing themselves to peers as they were growing up. These boys will begin to greatly admire, even idolize, those males they see as being "real men". This trait is more prevelant than any other trait of homosexual men - that when they were growing up, they viewed themselves as less than their peers.


Studies now show that it wasnt the abusive father or sexual abuse or feminine characteristics that "make" a person have same sex desires - it's how you viewed yourself in comparison to peers. And it just so happens, that boys that were abused by fathers, or sexually abused, or feminine acting, or with more sensitive feelings, tended to feel this way about themselves compared to peers more than most boys.

As adults, gay men can become very self-assured and confident - but it doesnt matter how you feel and think about yourself as an adult; what causes same sex desires is how you compared yourself to peers at a very young age growing up.

Still waiting for the references.

 

[DMagoh]

Still waiting for the references.

The Battle for Normality: A Guide for (Self)Therapy for Homosexuals by Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, Ph.D.

Gerard Van den Aardweg has had a private psychotherapeutic practice since 1963 in Holland, specializing in the treatment of homosexuality and marriage problems. He has written for many publications in these fields, and has authored several books on homosexuality.


Think about your own life. When you were entering puberty, how did you view yourself in comparison to your peers? Don't answer with sound bytes, debate points, or anything like that. Just honestly ask yourself the question - How did I view myself in relation to my peers growing up?