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I'm assuming this is in response to my post, correct? If so, what relevance does it have to what I said?Back in the days the Disciples walked the earth, Christians were not referred to as Christians of themselves, it was others who defined them as such and it was because of their witness and testimony and was really meant as an insult by those who didn't like what Christians had to say or the moral values they held to as they sought to emulate Christ, being both pleasing to the Father and therefore the Son. Things sure have changed since then.
I'm assuming this is in response to my post, correct? If so, what relevance does it have to what I said?
So Methodists who believe the Bible are fundamentalists and Methodist who don’t believe the Bible are not fundamentalists. Can you show me some evidence of these two groups?There is diversity among Methodists; some are fundamentalists and some are not.
Well I agree but if Bible verses don’t mean anything it wont matter whether they are literal or not.Bible verses can still "mean a lot" without being taken literally and they were never intended to be viewed in that manner.
Who takes scripture literally, I don’t, I do however literally take scripture and then interpret it.Besides those of you who claim to take scripture literally are highly selective in doing it.
So Methodists who believe the Bible are fundamentalists and Methodist who dont believe the Bible are not fundamentalists. Can you show me some evidence of these two groups?
HOMOSEXUAL
James 1:13-16
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Gal 5:19
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
James 4:5
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
James 4:7-8
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Tim 1:8-10
8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
Luke 17:28-30
28 "Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
29 "but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 "Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Titus 1:10-11
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
2 Pet 2:3
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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xxxxThis is a revelation I received from the Holy Spirit. Like it or not this is what the bible says. You can look up every verse. Whether your a homosexual or not if you approve of it you could condemn yourself.
Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
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James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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So I assumed the fundamentalists were the ones to whom the Bible verses would mean something. Was I correct in my assumption or is it the non-fundamentalist Methodists to whom the Bible verses would mean something?There is diversity among Methodists; some are fundamentalists and some are not.
So Methodists who believe the Bible are fundamentalists and Methodist who don’t believe the Bible are not fundamentalists. Can you show me some evidence of these two groups?
So what is the relevance of your comment about diversity in Methodism and saying some are fundamentalists and some not in response to whether Bible verses mean anything to them?I wouldn't say fundamentalists necessary "believe the Bible" and others don't.
WelI don’t think there are two groups, you are the one who suggested there were fundamentalists and some are not. I don’t see that as I see for Methodists of Great Britain Bible verses do mean something..I don't know what you mean by showing "evidence of these two groups".
We seek to discover the word of God through reading the Bible.
So whats all this you say about fundamentalists?
Sorry but as I have already explained to you on other threads I don’t have any LBGT brothers and sisters, nor do I condemn anyone, I merely recognise God’s condemnations of same-sex sex, which is why I asked about the meaning of Bible verses.Use of these to condemn your LGBT brothers and sisters is to misuse them because the original text reflected that culture and its limitations.
What do you see as fundamentalism?Fundamentalism by and large is an error generally.According to the Bible you are correct.The Bible is not the fourth member of the Trinity.
What do you mean by ‘fundie’ and why would I be interested to know?1. I'm not a fundie
Nor am I, I take what the Bible literally says in context.2. I'm not a literalist either.
I haven’t implied anyone isnt a Christian, from what I have said you must have implied you aren’t.3. I'm insulted by the fact that you're implying that I'm not Christian because I don't believe exactly like you.
I posted Bible verses and you replied that quoting Bible verses at people hasn't worked before I therefore wondered how Methodistis like yourself treated the Bible and whether the Bible verse meant anything. As I said this is a Christian section and Christians believe the Bible is the word of God.
I assumed the fundamentalists were the ones to whom the Bible verses would mean something. Was I correct in my assumption or is it the non-fundamentalist Methodists to whom the Bible verses would mean something?
So what is the relevance of your comment about diversity in Methodism and saying some are fundamentalists and some not in response to whether Bible verses mean anything to them?
for Methodists of Great Britain Bible verses do mean something..
I dont have any LBGT brothers and sisters
I merely recognise Gods condemnations of same-sex sex
Firstly, BrotherBrown!! Not a very good name for somebody who is anti-gay!!
Secondly, as an outsider and an ex-christian, is it just me or is there only actually one reference to homosexulity in that post? And from what I read the interpretation of the word is up for discussion anyway!
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, (1Cor.6:9)
Actually there are 3 words that fundamentalist refuse to study accurately in (1Cor.6:9) They think they know what fornication means (they don't). They think they know what the Apostle Paul's new coined Koine Greek word Arsenokoites means (they don't). They think they know what the Koine Greek word Malakos means (they don't).
Your post presupposes that you know what these words mean. I guess you have the only understanding of what these words do mean.
Your post presupposes that you know what these words mean. I guess you have the only understanding of what these words do mean.
Of course it wasn’t and the Bible texts that have been cited and quoted are in English… and not all 20th century either. And the all say the same thing, that sodomites, homosexual offenders men abusers of men are in error.Because of course, the Bible was written in English wasn't it? Twentieth century English at that...
Firstly, BrotherBrown!! Not a very good name for somebody who is anti-gay!!
Secondly, as an outsider and an ex-christian, is it just me or is there only actually one reference to homosexulity in that post? And from what I read the interpretation of the word is up for discussion anyway!
Not neccessarily. It's perfectly possible to be at a loss as to what they mean yourself, and find the idea that someone else thinks they know what they mean laughable.
The ability to say, "I don't know what it means, but I think it might mean..." seems beyond the fundamentalist mindset...
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