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As long as this does not cause serious derailBut...God created Satan. Correct? Therefore He is capable of creating evil.
(Playing Devil's Advocate, here. And off topic to boot...)
Or maybe God IS a God of love, but some of the people who claim to be following Him are instead using His Book selectively to satisfy their own prejudices? Because man IS fallen, and I find it far easier to believe that people can rationalize their sinful behavior, and even pass the buck to blame God for it (just as Adam did), than that the natural order was corrupted in the Fall.
As long as this does not cause serious derail
Just to answer real quick...
God did create Lucifer who was one of the Angels of God who out of his own free will decided to disobey God. The answer is no. God did not bring about evil. Lucifer (the fallen angel) was also created good.
Just for the sake of clarification.
I agree, just wanted to see what you would actually reply with. And, as far as I see it, the simplest way I can see it anyway, is that to have good there must (logically) be evil. God simply created good. The bad part of it is kinda like a byproduct, I suppose.
And, on the subject if intersex individuals, as that was not even possible to know until modern genetics, I don't think it can be expected to be represented in the bible. Although, I suppose it is possible to take some relevance from the verses in Matthew that talk of "born eunuchs", granted I think it best to leave that verse as a metaphor for celibacy.
Why do you need evil to have good? I mean, you say that it's logical, but I have never seen the actual logic behind it. Sure, you wouldn't have a relative comparison without both, but you can still have one without the other.
I'm one of these weird people who believe in a contextual reading, rather than fundamentalist/puritanist (that even a term?) reading.If God inspired the Bible, surely he would have known about intersex folks even if the people of the day didn't. According to "prophecies" he made, he can see our future, and could have made mention of intersex.
If the Bible contained "all " concepts that are unknown or "hidden" from men then do you realize how big the bible would be? The way I approach notions as those (as a theologian though) is God revealed to us what is necessary for our salvation. The bible is not a science book by no means it speaks about spiritual concepts one should know and consider growing in his relationship with God. For it says that what (even) Christ did and say are not "all' included in the Bible. So much more all things be "included" in the Bible.. The Bible is a guide book as to how we relate to God not an encyclopediaIf God inspired the Bible, surely he would have known about intersex folks even if the people of the day didn't. According to "prophecies" he made, he can see our future, and could have made mention of intersex.
If the Bible contained "all " concepts that are unknown or "hidden" from men then do you realize how big the bible would be? The way I approach notions as those (as a theologian though) is God revealed to us what is necessary for our salvation. The bible is not a science book by no means it speaks about spiritual concepts one should know and consider growing in his relationship with God. For it says that what (even) Christ did and say are not "all' included in the Bible. So much more all things be "included" in the Bible.. The Bible is a guide book as to how we relate to God not an encyclopedia
Christ forgave the adulteress who sinned but repented. He did tell here to go and sin NO MORE....what does this tell you? That living in sin is ok? He did not judge her past but he did advice her about the future....How more obvious you think he should have been? Fornication, homosexual acts and such were against the Hebrew Law he did not agree as to the punishment...about the Law but not the Law itself. He upheld the fact that these are all sins and should be repented...
Not judging those who are sinning meaning to do likewise? hmmm.... And now ....who is judging who here....lol.... ah... human nature ....
You know, if I were in your shoes, I'd be signing off this board and on my knees right now begging Christ to forgive my presumption in judging someone He explicitly refused to judge -- when challenged to do so by the Jewish leaders, no less.
After pronouncing "Let him who is without sin among you throw the first stone," letting the crowd of accusers drift away, asking her if no one had condemned her and getting her answer, He said, Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
Apparently, Philothei, you consider yourself without sin, since you blithely have decided that the woman was a sinner worthy of condemnation. You have metaphorically cast the first stone against her, when your Lord and mine refused to condemn her, despite being called on to judge her.
Yes, he told her to sin no more. He tells all of us to sin no more. And when we fall short of that, He forgives us.
He acted out that scene -- John included tht scene in his Gospel -- specifically to deliver the message against judging the sins of others when you too are as sinful as they.
He said what the Law consists in -- not the individual commandments but the whole edifice of the Law -- "Love God with all that is in you, and love your neighbor as yourself. Act toward others as you would want them to act toward you. Strive not to judge, because as surely as you judge, you will be judged by the same measure with which you judge. If you see anyone in need, minister to them as if they were Jesus Himself, because He will count it as done or not done unto Him."
You aren't Jesus, nor even Mary, and you have no right to judge that woman when Christ Himself was at pains not to.
Nor do you have any right to judge your fellow man -- unless you want your sins judged as harshly as you judge them.
It was not the people who committed sexual sins whom Jesus held up to obloquy, but those who, secure in their own supposed righteousness, presumed to judge their fellow man. There is a lesson in that for all who have ears to hear.
Why do you think the Constitution should protect freedom of religion?
Boy...gonna be some surprised Christians come eternity.
Actually I believe it's bigoted, not racist.
...Or you could try and catch-up with society's morals, guess that's asking alot though.
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What?Because, as goes the religious temperament of a people, so to goes the direction of that nation's righteous zeal.
What?
I asked why you thought the Constitution should protect freedom of religion ... are you answering that question or did you want to talk about homosexual commentary now?In other words, it is just as easy for a nation to become intolerant of comments against homosexuality, as it can be intolerant of comments that are pro-homosexual.
Which extreem do you believe to be the most likely, and to be the worse.
God did create Lucifer who was one of the Angels of God who out of his own free will decided to disobey God. The answer is no. God did not bring about evil. Lucifer (the fallen angel) was also created good.
I asked why you thought the Constitution should protect freedom of religion ... are you answering that question or did you want to talk about homosexual commentary now?
Do you agree with that stipulation or would you, if given the chance, support an amendment removing the provision protecting religious freedom? IOW, do you think it is a good thing that the Constitution includes a provision protecting freedom of religion?The Constitution should protect freedom of religion because the document itself stipulates that it will. Hang you hat on that one.
You know, if I were in your shoes, I'd be signing off this board and on my knees right now begging Christ to forgive my presumption in judging someone He explicitly refused to judge -- when challenged to do so by the Jewish leaders, no less.
After pronouncing "Let him who is without sin among you throw the first stone," letting the crowd of accusers drift away, asking her if no one had condemned her and getting her answer, He said, Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
Apparently, Philothei, you consider yourself without sin, since you blithely have decided that the woman was a sinner worthy of condemnation. You have metaphorically cast the first stone against her, when your Lord and mine refused to condemn her, despite being called on to judge her.
Yes, he told her to sin no more. He tells all of us to sin no more. And when we fall short of that, He forgives us.
He acted out that scene -- John included tht scene in his Gospel -- specifically to deliver the message against judging the sins of others when you too are as sinful as they.
He said what the Law consists in -- not the individual commandments but the whole edifice of the Law -- "Love God with all that is in you, and love your neighbor as yourself. Act toward others as you would want them to act toward you. Strive not to judge, because as surely as you judge, you will be judged by the same measure with which you judge. If you see anyone in need, minister to them as if they were Jesus Himself, because He will count it as done or not done unto Him."
You aren't Jesus, nor even Mary, and you have no right to judge that woman when Christ Himself was at pains not to.
Nor do you have any right to judge your fellow man -- unless you want your sins judged as harshly as you judge them.
It was not the people who committed sexual sins whom Jesus held up to obloquy, but those who, secure in their own supposed righteousness, presumed to judge their fellow man. There is a lesson in that for all who have ears to hear.
So since when becasue God created metal He is responsible of how people will use it and make guns that kill? Was the intent of God to "create" evil? or man's? We have free will how is this God's "purpose"? How can God "directly crated evil" if God knows no evil?
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