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If memory serves the less than 1% of the population is gay is a claim that was discredited long long ago. (I cant find the references to it right now) It stems form a Chicago magazine phone survey that limited the definition of homosexual to ridiculous levels. To qualify as gay one had to have been sexually active exclusively with the same gender for more than ten years. Anything else was classified as heterosexual. I recall reading an interview with a prominent gay writer who noted that on that survey he would have been listed as heterosexual because ten years ago he was a virgin.
That is incorrect. Anti-gay groups are organizations that go beyond mere disagreement with homosexuality by subjecting gays and lesbians to campaigns of personal vilification. -Southern Poverty Law CenterWhile I have had occassion to be irritated with NARTH's lack of effectiveness, the accusation of it being a hate group comes from the Southern Poverty Law Center, and not any official hate registry. It's definition of hate includes the following:
"Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing. Websites appearing to be merely the work of a single individual, rather than the publication of a group, are not included in this list. Listing here does not imply a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity."
So if you hand out tracts against gay marriage, you might qualify.
No one yet has been willing to give me the direct link to this center's supposed list of 12 or whatnot gay "hate groups", but the link I have found is here.
SPLCenter.org: Hate Groups Map
I have two things to say about using AIDS or other STDs as an argument against gays and gay marriage. First, ultimately, it does not matter what a persons sexual orientation is; regardless of the sexual orientation if couples are in an ongoing monogamous relationship they are not (as a general rule) going to pass on an STD or AIDS). So, at least to me, the idea that STDs may be a problem in the homosexual community is actually one of the best reasons to promote same-sex marriage. I understand you disagree with homosexual acts however, not everyone (not even all Christians) believe as you do.
Second, if we are really going to go after gays for their rate of STDs shouldn't we use the same standard to go after Blacks. Blacks in Africa are far and away the largest group that are infected with AIDS and other STDs. Even in the United States, Blacks (as I recall) have the majority of those infected with AIDS/HIV and Washington, D.C., largely because of their large Black population, is the most infected city in the United States.
And, sorry, I guess one last point -- if gays are the most immoral because of the percentage infected by AIDS, does that make lesbians the most moral (lowest AIDS/HIV infections and chance of getting infected)?
Your assertion that gays suffer from disproportionate number of various physical, emotional, and mental problems is incorrect. What has been shown is that gay youths suffers more from physical and emotional abuse after coming out and that abuse leads to disproportionate number of various physical, emotional, and mental problems. As noted in several of the studies gay youth who were not abused had the same rate of mental health issues as their non-abused heterosexual counterpartsIt appears to me that the data is in and that gays suffer at the very least from a disproportionate number of various physical, emotional, and mental problems. This is explained by the APA as being the fault of society.
Is anyone seriously arguing against this basic assertion? I get the idea people are, but I find nothing at all to support anything other than these conclusions, broad as they may be.
I've been all over the NARTH website. It's about as hateful as a kum-ba-ya get together ma'am.
I'm sorry..this is kind of silly. I can not help a person for being black. They do not have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals have a choice.
<-- Praying for my safety after the previous statement.
Do not misinterpret my statement. While I, personally, believe that there are multiple reasons why an individual would have an inclination towards someone of the same sex ranging from the environment they were exposed to while they were being raised to a possible genetic predisposition. The source plays no relevance in this argument. The choice comes with how they respond to that inclination.
The thing is that there is no evidence that STD’s are a problem among homosexuals any more than they are a problem among heterosexuals. Paul Cameron made such a claim…but he also fabricated data to produce those results.I cannot accept some of your reasoning on this one. First of all, your first assertion, that BECAUSE STDs are so prevalent in the homosexual community is all the more reason to promote marriage
There is no reason to assume that gays and lesbians would be less monogamous. Research has shown that when compared to heterosexuals gays are no more and in some studies slightly less promiscuous than heterosexualsbecause marriage inherently is monogamous, assumes that homosexuals will uphold the monogamy! Now, I know that this is highly heated debate, but, even if heterosexuals could maintain monogamy as well as heterosexuals do, that still does not eliminate the spread! Monogamy in heterosexual relationships is not perfect either. And, if it is found that heterosexuals are more likely to engage in sexual interactions outside of a monogamous, or supposedly, monogamous relationships, all the more reason to be concerned.
If you are speaking of HIV/AIDS the “community that is proven to have more frequency of disease” would be non-white heterosexualsAlso, I have already presented my opinion on same-sex marriage and never stated I was completely opposed to allowing those who really feel they need to be unified to do so. On the contrary, I was opposed to simply outlawing it so as to not offend and thus ostracize the people I am actually trying to help, as opposed to your reasons of legalizing for the sake of containing any diseases they may have. I do not believe that's the way to go about it. I want to help people before they engage in high-risk behavior and expose themself to a community that is proven to have more frequency of disease.
What choice exactly do gays and lesbians have aside from the choice to be honest about who they are?I'm sorry..this is kind of silly. I can not help a person for being black. They do not have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals have a choice.
So you personally do not or would not love someone else….you just have "inclinations"Do not misinterpret my statement. While I, personally, believe that there are multiple reasons why an individual would have an inclination towards someone of the same sex ranging from the environment they were exposed to while they were being raised to a possible genetic predisposition. The source plays no relevance in this argument. The choice comes with how they respond to that inclination.
So you are saying that false claims about gays and lesbians are wrong?
claims like:
Homosexuals have a life expectancy of 42 years
Homosexuality is a pathology
Homosexuals have greater instances of depression, suicide, anxiety, mental illness because they are homosexuals
Homosexuals are more likely to be substance abusers and alcoholics
The majority of homosexuals have a STD
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered
Correct?
Um, wait a second... methinks you are confusing causation and correlation.Those symptoms can signal to a pathology and they are observed in people who identify themeslves with this lifestyle. The higher abuse of alchohol and depression etc. are "symptoms" that are present...
That is the very fact, it is a lifestyle choice, not a choice of attraction/orientation.
But, the "Black people" in question, those with AIDS, are almost all at fault. The fact is, majority of people overall are responsible for the actions that lead to their contraction of HIV/AIDS. Regardless of sex, color, or otherwise. So the statement of "they have no choice, but gays do" is rather pointless.
Lets not compare race to sexuality.
Genetics are amorral, neither good nor bad. However, if one's behavioural traits is based on one's genetics, at the very least it is wrong to call them UNNATURAL, whether or not those traits are seen as beneficial or not is a different discussion.I totally agree that we shouldn't compare race to sexuality but to say that sexuality is the same as race is too bold without proof of sexual preference being linked to a genetic predisposition. Without the facts, they are just opinions.
But, for the sake of argument, if a genetic predisposition was the sole reason for one's sexual preference would it make it right?
I'm sorry..this is kind of silly. I can not help a person for being black. They do not have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals have a choice.
I cannot accept some of your reasoning on this one. First of all, your first assertion, that BECAUSE STDs are so prevalent in the homosexual community is all the more reason to promote marriage because marriage inherently is monogamous, assumes that homosexuals will uphold the monogamy! Now, I know that this is highly heated debate, but, even if heterosexuals could maintain monogamy as well as heterosexuals do, that still does not eliminate the spread! Monogamy in heterosexual relationships is not perfect either. And, if it is found that heterosexuals are more likely to engage in sexual interactions outside of a monogamous, or supposedly, monogamous relationships, all the more reason to be concerned.
Also, I have already presented my opinion on same-sex marriage and never stated I was completely opposed to allowing those who really feel they need to be unified to do so. On the contrary, I was opposed to simply outlawing it so as to not offend and thus ostracize the people I am actually trying to help, as opposed to your reasons of legalizing for the sake of containing any diseases they may have. I do not believe that's the way to go about it. I want to help people before they engage in high-risk behavior and expose themself to a community that is proven to have more frequency of disease.
But, you, of course, are entitled to your opinion.
I'm sorry..this is kind of silly. I can not help a person for being black. They do not have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals have a choice.
<-- Praying for my safety after the previous statement.
Do not misinterpret my statement. While I, personally, believe that there are multiple reasons why an individual would have an inclination towards someone of the same sex ranging from the environment they were exposed to while they were being raised to a possible genetic predisposition. The source plays no relevance in this argument. The choice comes with how they respond to that inclination.
I never made the assertion that "gays are the most immoral." I mentioned the prevalence of diseases amongst the gay community to show one reason why I am concerned for them. There are obviously more concerns that I have for individuals within that community which are all encompassing.
Hope this helps.
-Ben
None are based on fact.Some of the above are biased and some are facts.. Who is to say that some are not? The pathology I mentioned and you all jumped on me and others are facts.
Once again it is not being gay that is the problem. It is being hated and abused that is the problem. The research demonstrates that the homosexuals how are not raped, beaten and/or emotionally abused by their parents do not have any greater incidence of mental illness than their non abused heterosexual peers.Those symptoms can signal to a pathology and they are observed in people who identify themeslves with this lifestyle. The higher abuse of alchohol and depression etc. are "symptoms" that are present... To say they are not there or they are false is barely proof ... that they do not exist.
You just didNow again I do not go around judging these individuals and their disposition.
Once again how is making false statements and calling an entire minority sick an act of love?This is not my place to do as a ChristianAnd no it is different to disagree with their lifestyle and want to impose your ideas and morality on others who disagree with it. No one can deny me to love them though ....
The thing is that there is no evidence that STDs are a problem among homosexuals any more than they are a problem among heterosexuals. Paul Cameron made such a claim but he also fabricated data to produce those results.
If you are speaking of HIV/AIDS the community that is proven to have more frequency of disease would be non-white heterosexuals
What choice exactly do gays and lesbians have aside from the choice to be honest about who they are?
So you personally do not or would not love someone else .you just have "inclinations"
In 1973 those small handful of professionals clinging to the notion that somehow homosexuality was an mental illness , even though it did not fit the base definition of mental illness were asked to produce evidence that it was, in fact a mental illness a pathology. No evidence was produces and 450 years later still no evidence has been produced.
to date there are over two thousand studies showing sexual orientation is inborn.I totally agree that we shouldn't compare race to sexuality but to say that sexuality is the same as race is too bold without proof of sexual preference being linked to a genetic predisposition. Without the facts, they are just opinions.
having dark skin is inborn…does that make it right?But, for the sake of argument, if a genetic predisposition was the sole reason for one's sexual preference would it make it right?
Oops...fixed what can I say? I have big fingersFour hundred fifty years?Somehow I think you meant 35 years.
Maren(who just couldn't resist)
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