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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A pathology means a disease or illness. And homosexuality isn't a disease or an illness[/FONT]if that "personality trade" has with it pathology such as what Ben-AG kindly posted yeah it does.
I also wanted to say something on the stats. I am not saying these facts are to be taken just because I say they are, take them with a grain of salt. I, like you, may be misled on them. Some may be outdated or just blatantly misrepresented, but that doesn't take away from the substance of my posts. Feel free to do your own research...don't just take my word for it.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]sage advice. You should take it and research claims about gays before you post them [/FONT]
In fact, most studies that compare show that the number of sexual partners between heterosexual men and homosexual men are relatively similar, though there are one or two studies (one that ShaneRoach loves to use) that show a percentage of gays tend to have more sexual partners. But the fact remains your average homosexual tends to be no more promiscuous than your average heterosexual.
So, again, line up the claims that are made with the study that supports it and, when I have time, I'll take a look.
that a nice cozy twist... of what it is implied? To call it a disorder is not followed by "self hated bigots" but scientists who had investigated the human pshyche and found out that those individuals were troubled by it. Actually like I said before it is out of love that society and scientists who swear by the Hyppocratus oath to take care fo sick individuals. They do not want to "avoid" them rather to bring about healing and help and love. This is the humanistic view of a healthy society that seeks out the well being of its members...
Big quote incoming!...but scientists who had investigated the human pshyche and found out that those individuals were troubled by it. Actually like I said before it is out of love that society and scientists who swear by the Hyppocratus oath to take care fo sick individuals. They do not want to "avoid" them rather to bring about healing and help and love. This is the humanistic view of a healthy society that seeks out the well being of its members...
[FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-2]Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/Rainbow/html/facts_changing.htmlIn summary, scientific data are lacking to show that behavior modification techniques effectively change individuals' sexual orientations from homosexual to heterosexual. The relatively small number of attempts that have been adequately documented appear to have been largely unsuccessful.
Does this mean that no one ever changes his or her orientation from homosexual to heterosexual through the use of such techniques? Not necessarily. It is possible that some individuals who enter such therapies eventually make such a change, although there is no evidence for a cause-and-effect relationship. Those people might have changed their sexual orientation without the therapy.
However, so-called reparative therapy techniques – premised on the assumption that homosexuality is a form of psychopathology – appear to do much more harm than good. And even if conversion therapies were shown to be successful in more than a relative handful of cases, they would remain ethically questionable.
The mainstream view in psychology and psychiatry is that people who are troubled about their homosexual orientation have internalized society's prejudice against homosexuality, and that the appropriate task of a therapist is to help them to overcome those prejudices and to lead a happy and satisfying life as a gay man or lesbian.
And it is largely ineffective; as alcoholism is a medical issue as well as a social one, it needs to be addressed with tangible treatments... not mysticism.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Family Research Institute is one of only 12 groups operating in North America identified as an anti-gay hate group[/FONT]
Well, looking back on the last several posts, I feel I should say something on them.
And it is this: Health risks do not entail a disorder. Acting in a high risk manner does not need lead to a conclusion that the person in question has a disorder to cause said behavior.
Yes, the sexual behavior of most homosexual relations are a high risk activity. That can not be disputed. But I must point out that many, many heterosexual couples participate in the same practices.
By the logic that it seems some here have taken, that would lead to the conclusion that those heterosexuals also have a 'disorder'.
Big quote incoming!
[FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-2]Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/Rainbow/html/facts_changing.html
Also, my reflection on your "humanistic" approach: to treat the symptoms, the illness itself, is the Humanistic approach; to treat the medical issues that arise out of everyday life, be they sexual or otherwise, regardless of sexual practice. But, as the issue of whether homosexuality is an illness is not decided, you can not treat that. That would be unethical as far as the Hyppocratic Oath is concerned, to me at least.
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If you have any evidence for this at all, let me know. My understanding is that 12 step programs are superior to anything else available for breaking addiction and substance abuse, but I have not made it a special study.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again there are people on these forums who are much better at looking at research[/FONT]Sexually transmitted diseases in homosexual men.
This is an excellent article written by Handsfield that addresses some of the issues.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The big word here is appear.[/FONT]He says, "Gay men appear to be at greater risk than heterosexual men
He then goes on to say, "Most studies to date, however, have been conducted in STD clinics or at sites where persons congregate for anonymous sexual activity, such as steam baths, and the applicability of their findings to the homosexual male population at large is unknown."
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]so why are you bothering to put it up?[/FONT]Here he clearly points out the flaw in those studies as not an accurate representation of the whole homosexual male population, as you have extrapulated yourself. But, he continues and addresses this problem:
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Which is what was not shown.[/FONT]<-- This is probably what most of you are doing after reading this post, and I am sorry . I know it's long and cumbersome and I quoted alot but merely to make a point. If you caught anything from this article, Handfield is merely trying to show the increased health risks involved with being a homosexual, specifically men.
I think most people come to that conclusion already without having to go though such a tiresome article.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NARTH another one of those twelve recognized anti-gay hate groupsHere are some more interesting and educating articles: Related Articles for PubMed (Select 6895005) - PubMed Results
Homosexuality and Mental Health Problems <--This website goes on to show different mental health problems and issues with suicide such as homosexuals 6x more likely to commit suicide as opposed to heterosexuals. I won't go in depth in this one but instead I'll let you formulate your own idea position on this one.
Agreed. Homosexuality is not a disease to be treated, but it is a temptation that some people encounter. Whether you think it should be avoided because the Bible says it's wrong or merely because love humanity and don't like to see it hurt, because homosexuality IS a high-risk lifestyle and CAN lead to detrimental mental/physical/social heath problems.
The difference here is that you cannot choose to not have a disease; you can't have AIDS one day and proclaim the next that you no longer have AIDS...but you can CHOOSE what kind of lifestyle you lead. It may not happen instantly, but you do have a choice.
AA is moderately successful in the short term, but it has an extremely high recidivism rate. Higher even than people who take measures to stop drinking on their own. And much higher than people who get professional behaviour therapy and counselling.
So overall, the effectiveness of AA is pretty much the same as the effectiveness of the general alcoholic population trying to stop of their own accord. Which is to say, pretty much no effect.
See here:
The Effectiveness of the Twelve-Step Treatment
"Anti-gay groups are organizations that go beyond mere disagreement with homosexuality by subjecting gays and lesbians to campaigns of personal vilification." [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- Southern Poverty Law Center[/FONT]By an organization that states that by "hate", they mean pamphleting and basically disagreeing with the idea that being gay is perfectly normal.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The big word here is appear.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Not they do just appear[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]appear isn't evidence of anything[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NARTH another one of those twelve recognized anti-gay hate groups[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Heterosexuality IS a high risk lifestyle and can lead to detrimental mental/physical/social health problems[/FONT]Agreed. Homosexuality is not a disease to be treated, but it is a temptation that some people encounter. Whether you think it should be avoided because the Bible says it's wrong or merely because love humanity and don't like to see it hurt, because homosexuality IS a high-risk lifestyle and CAN lead to detrimental mental/physical/social heath problems.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]well I guess gays and choose to lie and pretend to be straight. I'm pretty sure that is unhealthy mentally, socially and spiritually thou[/FONT]The difference here is that you cannot choose to not have a disease; you can't have AIDS one day and proclaim the next that you no longer have AIDS...but you can CHOOSE what kind of lifestyle you lead. It may not happen instantly, but you do have a choice.
"Anti-gay groups are organizations that go beyond mere disagreement with homosexuality by subjecting gays and lesbians to campaigns of personal vilification." [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- Southern Poverty Law Center[/FONT]
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