I don't claim to be all-knowing. But one thing I do know: you and other people are not all-knowing either. And you do not speak for God.
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I don't claim to be all-knowing. But one thing I do know: you and other people are not all-knowing either. And you do not speak for God.Spirit-filled Christians makeit a habit to know. He has told us we have the mind of Christ.
If you believed the bible and believed in Jesus Christ and what He tells you, you'd know that, but as you consider your "faith" as some sort of smorgasbord, you miss the gems of real truth that Jesus came to give us...that teach us how to live righteously. What a waste.
I don't claim to be all-knowing. But one thing I do know: you and other people are not all-knowing either. And you do not speak for God.
I have never denigrated God. I have never denigrated you either. I disagree strongly with most of what you post, but I respect you as a person, and I do respect your commitment to your faith. I fear, though, that you are so focused on your particular beliefs that you refuse to accept other people's beliefs and spiritual practices that happen to differ from yours.Of course I am not all-knowing. Only God is. ut He has told us we have the mind of Christ. We have the responsibility to be obedient to Him and live in the Spirit, not the flesh.
Yes, Spirit-led Christians speak for God all the time! God depends on it. You don't seem to realize how God works in this world, how Jesus came and died and rose again and how His Holy Spirit has come to teach us all things, and He speaks through His servants here.
You aren't arguing with us--you are arguing with God, and denigrating HIM as well as His kids.
And here's me thinking God was omnipotent, when all along he really needs a bunch of small-minded bibliolatrists to go around speaking on his behalf.
Silly me!
And here's me thinking God was omnipotent, when all along he really needs a bunch of small-minded bibliolatrists to go around speaking on his behalf.
Silly me!
Do you need spoonfeeding?
Yes, it's the word of God, inspired and perfect for our waiting, hungry hearts.
You are devaluing the bible.
We have to be careful about bringing our issues here frequently, as there are people who are on the fence about Christ and need nothing more than a push from someone else's doubt to send them off the fence and into disbelief...and we all know where that leads.
We are to be evangelizing, foremost, don't you think?
I have never denigrated God. I have never denigrated you either. I disagree strongly with most of what you post, but I respect you as a person, and I do respect your commitment to your faith. I fear, though, that you are so focused on your particular beliefs that you refuse to accept other people's beliefs and spiritual practices that happen to differ from yours.
No. I just feel that if a doctrine's worth adopting, it should have good Biblical support. This particular one - despite being prevalent throughout much of Christianity - seems to be lacking good Biblical support. So I'm dubious as to whether it's a particularly good doctrine.
And yet it never claims to be "the Word of God".
This is rather ironic - I read the Bible for what it says, trying not to put my own "spin" on it, and I'm accused of devaluing it?
Of course, this whole section of the forum is precisely about bringing a particular issue here. Personally, I'd have thought someone who's fencesitting about Christ are more likely to be "pushed into disbelief" by homophobic attitudes than by someone pointing out that the Bible never claims to be the Word of God (particularly as someone who's on the fence probably didn't believe that the Bible was the Word of God in the first place...)
Well, in theory this part of the forum is for discussion between Christians, so evangelising here is quite likely to be preaching to the converted...
Yet you continue to insist that your particular beliefs are the only right beliefs. And you continue to speak as though you are God, announcing that your beliefs are God's beliefs. You have made beliefs central. Now you say that it's not about beliefs.It's not about beliefs. It's about the living Jesus. It's all about Him. My focus is as it should be: Jesus and His extreme love for us that brought Him from heaven to die a horrible death for our sin.
All of the people I have seen posting here do try to follow Jesus. We just have different ideas about what Jesus calls us to do. But the people here have all, as far as I can see, accepted Jesus and try to follow him.Oh well.
We call it the Word of God. Call it "Scriptures", then, if it bothers you.
Yes, you are, actually.
So, add more doubt upon doubt. Brilliant work, there. Homophobia doesn't exist here.
OY! You are mistaken, indeed! There are several in this forum who need Jesus Christ desperately. I am shocked that you cannot see it.
Yet you continue to insist that your particular beliefs are the only right beliefs. And you continue to speak as though you are God, announcing that your beliefs are God's beliefs. You have made beliefs central. Now you say that it's not about beliefs.
If it's really about following Jesus, which I think nearly everyone in this forum agrees on, then why not stop denigrating gay people's love relationships, accept us as we are, and let Jesus do his work in people's hearts. If all gay people need to do is come to Jesus, why don't you let gay people come to Jesus and be ourselves as we do that. If Jesus really wants gay people to stop being gay, won't he make us not gay? If that's not what Jesus wants, and I think it is not what he wants, then we will be good Christian followers of Jesus as gay people.
You and others here will win over more gay people to Jesus if you stop attacking our love as "sin" and simply welcome gay people as we are into your hearts and into your churches.
All of the people I have seen posting here do try to follow Jesus. We just have different ideas about what Jesus calls us to do. But the people here have all, as far as I can see, accepted Jesus and try to follow him.
I have never mocked Jesus. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus. I don't agree with you about what Jesus actually said. Believing differently from you is not "mocking" Jesus or anyone. It's just holding different beliefs, a different view of who Jesus was and what he did.If you were willing to follow Jesus and hear those who know Him personally concerning what His Word says, then we'd be getting somewhere. As it is you and yours refuse Him, and confuse yourselves about His truth, and actually mock Him and His sacrifice for you.
You can't expect Jesus to do all the work for you. He expects you to LAY DOWN your soins at His ross and follow Him--OBEY Him. Only then will you ever be free of the bondage of homosexuality. You must repent and renounce it...He will take it from you.
It's true. I have not seen anyone here claiming not to follow Jesus. People just have different ideas about what following Jesus means.So you say...
If you applied your form of liberal interpretation to that then you'd clearly see that she stated that God wills us to do things, and that the context is lost in interpretation.
It's not about open-mindedness, its about a person knowing their concept of God's truth.
davidbrider said:No. I just feel that if a doctrine's worth adopting, it should have good Biblical support. This particular one - despite being prevalent throughout much of Christianity - seems to be lacking good Biblical support. So I'm dubious as to whether it's a particularly good doctrine.
Oh well.
And yet it never claims to be "the Word of God".
We call it the Word of God. Call it "Scriptures", then, if it bothers you.
This is rather ironic - I read the Bible for what it says, trying not to put my own "spin" on it, and I'm accused of devaluing it?
Yes, you are, actually.
Homophobia doesn't exist here.
OY! You are mistaken, indeed! There are several in this forum who need Jesus Christ desperately. I am shocked that you cannot see it.Well, in theory this part of the forum is for discussion between Christians, so evangelising here is quite likely to be preaching to the converted...
In foru.ms there are Christians and non-Christians alike, but this particularly subforum is specifically for dialogue between Christians.
Sorry, I don't believe in that. I have no intention of doing "work" to try to stop being how God made me. That's that.If you were willing to follow Jesus and hear those who know Him personally concerning what His Word says, then we'd be getting somewhere. As it is you and yours refuse Him, and confuse yourselves about His truth, and actually mock Him and His sacrifice for you.
You can't expect Jesus to do all the work for you. He expects you to LAY DOWN your soins at His ross and follow Him--OBEY Him. Only then will you ever be free of the bondage of homosexuality. You must repent and renounce it...He will take it from you.
Nope, it's not. Being in love with someone of the same sex doesn't prevent a person from following Christ's teachings in any way.A homosexual christian is any oxymoron.
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